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Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

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Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

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But at the end of the day who would have given a shit about the license on a cpu? It would have been ignored.

Maybe some larger tech sites would choose not to publish?

The EULA was never the stick for them. Intel can say "kill this story or you never get swag and engineering samples again" and it's done.

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

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No explanations, no apologies, just this: We are updating the license now to address this and will have a new version available soon. As an active member of the open source community, we continue to welcome all feedback.

Well, at least they didn't make excuses or delay things, just said "don't worry I fixed it" basically. That's about the same thing I tell datacenters when they catch me seeding torrents.

> same thing I tell datacenters when they catch me seeding torrents

Well, it is right there in your username :)

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

#54
Curious, if Intel stood by their "no benchmarking" rule, can someone post the detailed benchmark results anonymously via say pastebin or something? Sure, you can't trust it like you from something like phoronix, but the results can then be freely shared on social media right?

What am i missing?

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect its something more banal. I believe intel does distribute test/beta microcode to certain partners, and likely security researchers, this kind of statement is something you would put in a beta version, I wonder if someone simply used the wrong license file when they deployed this to the website.

This story has been out for days, if such a thing was at play Intel would have put out a statement by now.

Days is about right for a large company to respond

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

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How do you gaffe this bad? How is someone that incompetent in the decision making loop? Some random engineer creating the ucode or uploading it to the web doesn't come up with this kind of idea to change license language. These are edicts from management. I'd love for that conversation to leak in full.

Companies like IBM or Oracle have had these clauses for decades to prevent users from comparing performance. Such EULA clauses need to be put to the test and overturned for the anti-consumer monopolistic garbage they are.

Yep. It's like buying a box of cookies that says you agree to not compare the taste of these cookies with the tastes of other cookies.

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

#57

Curious, if Intel stood by their "no benchmarking" rule, can someone post the detailed benchmark results anonymously via say pastebin or something? Sure, you can't trust it like you from something like phoronix, but the results can then be freely shared on social media right? What am i missing?

The problem is trust though. Benchmarks are only worth considering if the source is reliable. Unknown sources by definition aren't, because it's easy to fudge the numbers and give fake methodology. There's no consequences for the unknown benchmarker if he intentionally misleads. Anandtech et al. have reputations to protect.

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, at least they didn't make excuses or delay things, just said "don't worry I fixed it" basically. That's about the same thing I tell datacenters when they catch me seeding torrents.

> same thing I tell datacenters when they catch me seeding torrents Well, it is right there in your username :)

I up voted you both. Not because of added value to the discussion but you made me laugh out loud. (not the lol, but the real thing)

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> same thing I tell datacenters when they catch me seeding torrents Well, it is right there in your username :)

I up voted you both. Not because of added value to the discussion but you made me laugh out loud. (not the lol, but the real thing)

Not adding value in a humorous way describes more of my life than I would like to admit.

Re: Intel Responds to Complaints About Microcode Benchmarking Ban

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a US citizen but I seem to be more aware of what the 1st amendment actually entails more than a seemingly large proportion of actual citizens, surely you guys learn that stuff at school? Is it just presented really dryly and so kids don't pay attention?

This argument has been repeated so much, I'm going to try to explain. I'm not a lawyer, but this is what I learned in school in the US. There are numerous examples of voluntarily giving up your right to free speech. In the United States there are criminal and civil suits. You won't be criminally charged by the government for your free speech about CPU benchmarks, but if you actually agreed as part of a contract to no…

I'm originally from UK, we don't learn about US Constitution, but my understanding is the 1st is about the government not being allowed to restrict your right to free speech, however a lot of people seem to be under the impression this means no-one is allowed to restrict your speech.
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