Gatekeepers or Censors? How Tech Manages Online Speech

Post by baud147258 » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:42 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #36

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> If there is one thing I wish I could beat into people's heads with a stick about online discourse, is that any place free of moderation is not going to be a free speech haven, but a cesspit where the people with the most free time will dominate and drive out others. It depends. One forum where I spend some of my time has very hands-off moderation and it does have a) some quality conversations b) diversity of opinio…

It can definitely work in certain cases, especially when there's a single very clear focus or purpose for the forum, or some sort of accountability for your opinions.

Post by brandmeyer » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:44 PM UTC

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At least for me, the freedoms enshrined in the bill of rights and other amendments are valuable not just as restrictions on government power, but as restrictions on power. The more asymmetric the relationship between two parties, the more sensitive we become to exercises of power by the stronger party over the weaker one. I think that we do have a reasonable expectation that our employers and service providers won't…

The restrictions put on governmental power are proportional to the power we give the government. Your employer can't imprison you, collect taxes from you, send you off to war; pretending "social media add tech company" is in any way comparable doesn't add much to the conversation. You first have to give google the right to send you to jail, before you can demand due process from them (that's a dystopia I think no one…

Post by baud147258 » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:46 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #50

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I'd rather enable users to moderate their own content by giving them better tools to do so. Reddit simply isn't built for this though, because they've already committed to the subreddit model. Ultimately though, I believe reddit's successor will find success going this route. So it's less about giving more power to minorities (which are still just groups) and more about giving power to individuals to manage their own…

> I'd rather enable users to moderate their own content by giving them better tools to do so. I hear where you're coming from, but I subscribe to a small amount of subreddits, and moderate one - and I am absolutely not willing to clean up after every troll, shill and bot that posts to all of them. As a specific example, I moderate a local meetup subreddit. We have fairly specific rules about what is and isn't allowed…

Post by malvosenior » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

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Sucks for folks like Socrates doesnt it ?

Sure, the standards change over time. You would likely be shunned 200 years ago if you said whites and blacks had equal intellect. You would likely be shunned today if you said the opposite. Society generally moves in the right direction. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." I was simply pointing out that this phenomena is not new or limited to the internet. It is inherently human. It…

Post by baud147258 » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:54 PM UTC

setpatchaddress wrote: post #46

baud147258 wrote: post #30

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That's a drastic oversimplification of the situation. If you're going to read the Slate article, be sure to read this too: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-t...