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Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by shawn »

wesleytodd wrote: post #43
shawn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been working on that. It’s a hard problem, but emule works quite well. I propose something based on that: when you start a program, you advertise all the sha256’s of all the files you share. Whenever you need a resource, you send a request to the dht for its sha256. Anyone who has the file will opportunistically try to send it to you. Since it’s a dht, there’s nothing to take down. And since it operates on sha25…

Check out Dat: https://datproject.org/

Excellent: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/datprotocol/whitepaper/mas...

It seemed too simple of an idea not to already be done. Hopefully it conceals your IP.

Arg. Nope. It does not. It leaves it up to the client to decide how best to request the content, and by default that almost certainly guarantees no privacy.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kodablah wrote: post #30

Ug, never proposals for education, grants for preferred alternative implementations, publicly funded communication platforms, recognition that the status quo is people's preference, data transparency encouragement (not user transparency...not "who", but "what" wrt internal analytics), enforcement of existing advertisement/fraud/collusion statutes, etc. The first step always has to be more legislation, very sad. I'd a…

> * The first step always has to be more legislation*

The first step to each of the things you mentioned is legislation...

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by dominotw »

gammateam wrote: post #41

Read until > Democratic Senator Anything coming from the party without power is dead in the water for now. Maybe it will inspire someone but this is just a waste of a cycle until then.

There is only one party. Corporate party.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by tcbawo »

The financial industry created self-regulatory organizations (SROs) to police themselves (in theory) more effectively than the government. They set up rules of ethics and policies and have the power to fine companies and bar individuals. Agencies like the SEC let them take the lead, but will step in to investigate fraud and crimes. The industry may need to mature, but this would probably be the most sensible solution.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by kodablah »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #53
kodablah wrote: post #30

Ug, never proposals for education, grants for preferred alternative implementations, publicly funded communication platforms, recognition that the status quo is people's preference, data transparency encouragement (not user transparency...not "who", but "what" wrt internal analytics), enforcement of existing advertisement/fraud/collusion statutes, etc. The first step always has to be more legislation, very sad. I'd a…

> * The first step always has to be more legislation* The first step to each of the things you mentioned is legislation...

Well, to most of them, sure...I guess I wasn't clear. I meant legislation as in regulation and laws, i.e. negative/pessimistic approaches adding more rules/punishments as opposed to positive/optimistic approaches without imposing more restrictions. I personally don't want to see government involvement at all (i.e. any legislation), but I am just dismayed at which legislation since we're sadly past the point, in many people's eyes, of whether there should be any at all.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by wesleytodd »

shawn wrote: post #51
wesleytodd wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out Dat: https://datproject.org/

Excellent: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/datprotocol/whitepaper/mas... It seemed too simple of an idea not to already be done. Hopefully it conceals your IP. Arg. Nope. It does not. It leaves it up to the client to decide how best to request the content, and by default that almost certainly guarantees no privacy.

It was not intended to provide privacy, the the distributed data store. If you want privacy you probably just want to have a private swarm, which is perfectly fine to setup. Just implement a client with a whitelist or another mechanism for the privacy you want.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by cwkoss »

shawn wrote: post #38
wesleytodd wrote: post #33

I think the faster we make companies liable for the content on their servers the better. Why? Because I want distributed/federated data to become an actual priority to these companies. I want it to hit their bottom line when they get sued for content uploaded to their servers so they consider keeping the data owned by the user who generated it.

I’ve been working on that. It’s a hard problem, but emule works quite well. I propose something based on that: when you start a program, you advertise all the sha256’s of all the files you share. Whenever you need a resource, you send a request to the dht for its sha256. Anyone who has the file will opportunistically try to send it to you. Since it’s a dht, there’s nothing to take down. And since it operates on sha25…

I think a cool layer on top of this would be to create a P2P network where you can 'friend' certain peers and produce a reddit-like aggregation of new content from various sources.

- Friend another user by adding their key and IP to a trust group.

- When your client boots up, it connects to friend nodes and downloads their recent DHT.

- DHTs from all friends are summed to sort the hashes by descending frequency, perhaps with a time decay factor.

- Display reddit-like UI of content to User: see which files are recently most popular among the set of all your friends.

Possible improvements:

- User could customize time vs vote weighting, script custom sort rules

- Give certain peers greater vote weighting ('best friend' vs 'acquaintance')

- Allow peers to 'tag' hashes to create subreddit like collections of things.

- Allow attachment of metadata to hashes - title, description, etc - figuring out how to handle discrepancies between sources here could be tricky.

- Make client automatically re-host content in your DHT: hosting IS the upvote

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by wesleytodd »

cwkoss wrote: post #58
shawn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been working on that. It’s a hard problem, but emule works quite well. I propose something based on that: when you start a program, you advertise all the sha256’s of all the files you share. Whenever you need a resource, you send a request to the dht for its sha256. Anyone who has the file will opportunistically try to send it to you. Since it’s a dht, there’s nothing to take down. And since it operates on sha25…

I think a cool layer on top of this would be to create a P2P network where you can 'friend' certain peers and produce a reddit-like aggregation of new content from various sources. - Friend another user by adding their key and IP to a trust group. - When your client boots up, it connects to friend nodes and downloads their recent DHT. - DHTs from all friends are summed to sort the hashes by descending frequency, perh…

Check out beaker browser and fritter:

https://beakerbrowser.com/ https://github.com/beakerbrowser/fritter

Built on top of dat, it is basically this kind of architecture.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Post by mikec3010 »

maxxxxx wrote: post #24
clarkevans wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there something that can be done about our polarized discourse without trampling over our civil rights? I think this is necessary dialogue.

First stop blaming the Russians and then tell your parties to work for the country and for themselves. I think best would be if people stopped calling themselves "Republicans" or "Democrats" and stopped identifying with a party.

I wish there were a way to dispel the tricks the media and politicians use to divide us such as religion and abortion. There are countless other issues that affect us, but many voters only care about 1 or 2 issues. The "polarizing issues" are then just proxies that won't have a material effect on most people anyway. But people are so susceptible to emotion, and I doubt there's a way around this.
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