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Credit-Card Backlash Mounts as Kroger Weighs Expanding Visa Ban

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It's not subsidized by people who make interest payments?

Oh, it is. Very much so.

Interest payments cover the fixed costs of running a credit card system (and then some). Payroll, marketing, offices, return on capital, etc. An additional marginal purchase usually generates enough in interchange fees to cover the rewards earned on it.

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> The consumer using Visa SuperRewardsPlatinum probably doesn't know that it's costing the retailer more than other cards when they use it. You mean the merchant pays a higher fee when you use one Visa card vs. another Visa card? Or you mean compared to Mastercard etc.?

I seriously doubt the retailer pays different fees depending on th card. That sounds bizarre.

See the sibling reply, the statement led me (probably like you) into thinking that merchants can be charged differently based on every minor aspect of the card, where they seem to say it's only different depending on the broad classification of the card in that interchange (regular "Visa" vs. "Visa Rewards Signature" for example).

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#53

These kinds of problems (swipe fees, etc) is where I believe cryptocurrencies shine. Having a fee payment which is reasonable and fast confirmation times would solve this problem immediately removing the need for third parties.

No need for cryptocurrencies, this has been a solved problem in various countries for literal decades. See Interac in Canada, Dankort (as mentioned by another poster) in Denmark, and presumably others.

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I hate credit card fees as much as the next guy, but to be fair my credit card was the only way I could pay for things in Asia since I just lived there for 6 months. If I had used cash, the only ATM near me stole my friends debit card, and multiple people I know were robbed and pick-pocketed. My credit card insulated me from those risks, which I was fine paying an extra 1% for. Now that I’m back in America the risk i…

An alternative like you said is with payment apps. One example I have seen in public is with Venmo, although there are drawbacks like no fraud protection and delay in bank transfer. Latter is solved if you solely use your bank as a settlement layer and Venmo as the application layer — that is, conduct all internal transactions on the app and only settle when you need to trade with a person outside the app.

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I like my rewards Visa more than I like Kroger. Good luck with that ban, guys.

Seriously, dealing with cash is a hassle, especially on a self-checkout. Arco has tried the same nonsense and I avoid them at every turn, because it requires me to a) have cash and b) stand in line to pay , rather than it taking a moment to swipe a card.

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They're typically 2.5 - 3.5%.

You can pay your federal income taxes via credit card for 1.87%

Wait, seriously? I only ever saw a bank account option. I'd totally do this.

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It's not subsidized by people who make interest payments?

Not really. Banks really dislike creating systems where it is possible for them to lose money. And by law, if you pay your credit card statement in full on or before the due date, you get charged zero interest. The interchange fees charged to merchants roughly covers rewards. It's why Visa et al charge higher fees to merchants for processing higher-tier rewards cards. Interchange fees don't cover all the other overhe…

It's really going to depend on the bank and what their business model is.

eg, free consumer checking accounts have been heavily subsidized by interchange fees for years.

There are more dollars in interchange fees collected in the US every year than there are dollars of fraudulent transactions.

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Correct. The fee will vary within a network based on all sorts of things. There are low-rate carve outs for low-margin products (eg gasoline), discounts for "card-in-hand" transactions, and higher fees for premium cards. https://www.helcim.com/us/visa-interchange-rates/ https://usa.visa.com/dam/VCOM/global/support-legal/documents...

Ohh.. so it's saying Visa CPS Retail vs. Visa Rewards Traditional vs. Visa Rewards Signature vs. etc. are different. Interesting, thanks, I didn't know that. But if I'm buying two of the same product (obviously -- I'm not talking about two gas vs. groceries here) with two different cards, both of which are from the same network and the same "kind" (by which I mean the categorizations listed above, like two that are b…

Not always, even the exact same card can run on different networks. For example:

1) You buy a product with your Visa debit card and enter your pin

2) You buy the same product, same card, but don't enter your pin

3) You buy the same product, same card, but your card won't swipe so the cashier manually enters your card number

Each of these scenarios will likely result in different fees to the merchant.

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Unless a retailer doesn't accept any cash, the marginal cost of accepting another cash transaction is low.

I think you would be surprised at how little cash many places need to operate with in the presence of credit cards. Consider a front desk at a hotel. Thousands of dollars a day in transactions occur via card, which would warrant frequent drops into an expensive safe if they happened with cash. With cards they pretty much only hold a trivial amount to deal with sundries that isn't worth protecting beyond a simple enve…

That hotel is still doing cash accounting though. If there isn't much at the front desk, how about the bar? The restaurant?

A business that has any type of daily cash accounting is still going to need to balance the register at the end of the day, reestablish change to open with, have arrangements for transport, &c. Bad employees can still pocket a tenner on occasion.

Sure, some smaller places with barely any cash probably just lock the drawer and call it a night.

I can't find the figures now, but estimates of cost of cash handling is far far lower than the 2-3% of swipe fees.

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You can pay your federal income taxes via credit card for 1.87%

Wait, seriously? I only ever saw a bank account option. I'd totally do this.

There are a bunch of different sites, but I have used this one: https://www.pay1040.com/
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