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Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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God forbid I use a straw, though.

Explain the inconvenience you're experiencing because you can't get a straw? It's a step forward, a small one at that, but it's progress. I don't understand those complaining - they usually fall back to people with disabilities, and yet establishments will still have straws on-hand for those folks.

Explain the benefit.

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My wife and I were traveling in Borneo a few years back. They have "water villages" there where all the houses are built on stilts in shallow water. You could not see the shore because it was completely covered in a layer of garbage. It was like living on top of a landfill. At first I thought it was garbage thrown out by the villagers, but it's not. It was garbage that washes in on the tide. Every now and then the vi…

This photo is surreal. I can't believe a trash filled planet is becoming a reality and we are doing little to nothing to stop it.

Most people reading this are working to encourage it. Social media is funded by advertisers who want you to buy more.

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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86% of the oceans plastic comes from Asia[1]. [1] https://www.theoceancleanup.com/sources/

This statistic shows that as NA or EU residents, what we do basically does not matter. The plastic waste of Asia will only grow. What we can do is focus on the cleanliness of our local communities as that is the only place where we can have an effect. But on the global scale, unless if we manage to strongarm Asia into behaving, it's borderline meaningless.

What would help is to develop a material that is just as good as plastic (or better), degrades easily and is cheaper as well, and then wait for them to copy. Germany basically did this for solar energy.

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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How about if I'd rather drink acid drinks like Coke (when I do) without damaging my teeth? What about my freedom of choosing whether I'd use straws or not?

Please explain to me how you can drink without the liquid touching your teeth. Do you stick the straw directly down your throat?

uh? I minimize the contact to my teeth, I guess?

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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My wife and I were traveling in Borneo a few years back. They have "water villages" there where all the houses are built on stilts in shallow water. You could not see the shore because it was completely covered in a layer of garbage. It was like living on top of a landfill. At first I thought it was garbage thrown out by the villagers, but it's not. It was garbage that washes in on the tide. Every now and then the vi…

This photo is surreal. I can't believe a trash filled planet is becoming a reality and we are doing little to nothing to stop it.

Human nature being what it is, it's inevitable. Making it about personal responsibility to recycle and dispose tidily is guaranteeing a tragedy of the commons. This frees manufacturers to create ever more packaging crap and chase an extra fraction of a cent.

Only way to stop it is to go back to packaging that decomposes or is inert like glass which soon loses the sharp edges.

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God forbid I use a straw, though.

Explain the inconvenience you're experiencing because you can't get a straw? It's a step forward, a small one at that, but it's progress. I don't understand those complaining - they usually fall back to people with disabilities, and yet establishments will still have straws on-hand for those folks.

Leptospirosis is the reason people are trained from childhood to require drinking straws in many parts of Asia. Rats piss on bottles and cans, and the bacteria their urine contains kept alive due to the ice used to keep them cold. So if you refuse the straw while on holiday, remember it is flu like symptoms with a high chance of death.

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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I'm curious. Quotes from the article: -- “It happens pretty much all the time if there is a strong rainfall or a storm,” The phenomenon is not confined to the Dominican Republic, he said, and can be seen in many developing nations with a coastline. “Everybody uses the rivers and the beaches as dump sites.” -- So we're being told that ocean's plastic garbage patch is somehow made out of the contents of landfills aroun…

There was a recent study which has been circulating. Most (90%) of the plastics in the ocean that are not related to fishing equipment come from 8 rivers in Asia and then the Nile and Niger rivers in Africa. Mostly due to poor or unregulated waste disposal infrastructures.

Is this myth still going around? If you read more than the headlines you will see that it is 90% of the plastics coming from rivers are from 10 big rivers, so it is not including any plastic that go directly into the ocean. Not that it would not help to clean up those rivers, but what you do also matter https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plas...

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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My wife and I were traveling in Borneo a few years back. They have "water villages" there where all the houses are built on stilts in shallow water. You could not see the shore because it was completely covered in a layer of garbage. It was like living on top of a landfill. At first I thought it was garbage thrown out by the villagers, but it's not. It was garbage that washes in on the tide. Every now and then the vi…

This photo is surreal. I can't believe a trash filled planet is becoming a reality and we are doing little to nothing to stop it.

Please, the Western world is doing a lot of work in keeping it out of water ways and oceans. The majority of trash is from China and other Asian countries. [1]

What can we do? Simple, this is where trade requirements include treating the environment right. We already have restrictions on seafood harvesting and protecting certain species like whales and dolphins. no reason we cannot hold trade to require proper handling of waste and pollution to include penalties and fees on offending nations

[1] https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-01-13/5-countries-dump-more...

Re: Wave After Wave of Garbage Hits the Dominican Republic

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Is that landfill claim a bit of a strawman (pardon the pun)? I've seen little to nothing about it being the result of landfills, and everything about it being a result of the culture of disposable plastics. We're all to blame for disposable plastics.

I'm not sure how popular that claim is, but I've heard it multiple times. Especially as part of the eco-protective initiatives. I was able to find this example[1]: "Even if you live hundreds of miles from the coast, the plastic you throw away could make its way into the sea. Once in the ocean, plastic decomposes very slowly, breaking down in to tiny pieces known as micro plastics that can be incredibly damaging to se…

Those numbers are outdated. More recent studies show that 46% is discarded fishing gear: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/great-pacific-garb...
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