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Re: Apple faces $600m damages claim

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Simple - Patent trolls file suits against cool hip trendy geek friendly companies like Apple and Google. IP companies protect their investment when it's stolen by big evil companies like Microsoft or Sony.

It's only an investment if you plan to use it later for some other purpose than suing people that turn an idea into reality and actually contribute realisation of that idea to society. As it stands society will never benefit from most inventions unless a "big evil company" "steals" the idea (through their own research presumably) and turns it into reality.

If I only I could get a patent on irony - unfortunately it would mean getting Americans to understand it.

Re: Apple faces $600m damages claim

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I don't think you understand the difference between a patent troll and an IP company. The company I work for designs antennae for cell phones, wifi, GPS receivers etc. We barely have a website, just a couple of PhDs and a lawyer. We rely on licencing our designs and file a lot of patents. It's judgements like this that stop cell phone makers deciding that it's cheaper to just copy our inventions than pay us a licence…

I don't even think you should receive a patent unless you intend to commercialize it. In this system, you have incentives to make your patent as broad as possible, as well as look for "me-too" patents that you can get by studying existing ones. If your sole source of revenue is licensing the patents that you've created, you're a patent troll. The initial patent wasn't intended for this. The patent wasn't originally i…

If you invent something that by itself has no commercial value whatsoever, but could make someone else's idea either viable or more profitable (maybe it makes their widget easier to build?), then you're basically saying that your invention isn't patentable, even though by licensing it you could enable another company to benefit from your work while being compensated for it.

Wow, that was a long sentence.

Anyway, that's the whole point behind patents in the first place. It's to allow the inventor to be able to stand up to a big company and negotiate on at least somewhat equal footing, and finding an agreeable set of licensing terms.

Then you could be an inventor instead of a builder, and come up with ideas that others can use to build stuff.

You're suggesting that there should not be any such thing as an inventor who doesn't build stuff, because you're proposing that such individuals are invariably shot in the back.

"If your sole source of revenue is licensing the patents that you've created, you're a patent troll."

False. An inventor's sole source of income might well be licensing patents -- such a person is making a living by inventing things. Hence the term "inventor" ;))

A patent troll is someone who abuses that aspect of the system, like IBM. They try to make their patents as broad as possible, and then use them to prevent other companies from making progress, rather than making the licensing process into a collaboration between entities -- allowing the inventor to create the shoulders atop which the builders stand.

Re: Apple faces $600m damages claim

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Hold on, so what is the difference between your company and a patent troll? Not that I'm accusing you guys, I'm just not sure how I can readily draw the line between the two.

Perhaps they actually invent and design useful things and then license them.

Thats what we do - your problem is to get a certain signal level in as small as space on the PCB as possible.

We use our 20years each of studying physics, software we spent a lot of time and money writing, and a lot of expensive test gear - to design a clever pattern of copper.

That's all we sell - the shape of that patch of copper.

ARM sell the shape of some layers of photoresist - same difference.

Re: Apple faces $600m damages claim

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I cannot fathom putting the decision of a patent dispute in the hands of my "peers" -- 12 people that are chosen, likely with the prerequisite of not knowing much at all about technology, whose opinions on the matter are going to be molded by how well somebody pitches their argument, and not the contents thereof.

So you're basically against the jury system in general - not just for patent disputes, right?
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