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Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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post #15

When I was a kid, we went to TX (I'm from Germany) and everyone recommended going to New Braunfels because it's so German. We were quite shocked to see how german it was. It seemed like a hideout for traditional german values (as in conquering Poland) - no pleasant memory.

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Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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post #28

"Instead of using fundamental mathematical and physics calculations to design and build the ride, the two men had “rushed forward relying almost entirely on crude trial-and-error methods.” And although they realized that their finished product “guaranteed that rafts would occasionally go airborne in a manner that could severely injure or kill the occupants,” they went ahead and opened the ride anyway." Yep. All you h…

The worst are the nets and semicircular loops to which the nets are attached [1]. To me it is obvious that if you go airborne on the second hill (that has these nets, too), you will drag the net with you – it might as well not even exist. All that remains to keep you inside is the metal loops. Well, you are now flying through a cheese grater.

[1] https://www.texasmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/HR_S...

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

#53
From an engineering viewpoint, one thing that jumps out to me at least, is that "100,000 people including many kids" had already ridden when this sad accident happened.

In terms of real-world testing, not even 100,000 tests (or maybe ~33,300 if each raft had 3 people on it) exposed the problem.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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Maybe as a way to help compartmentalism from what the article is describing, I keep wondering: why do “long form” stories all seem to follow the same script? - Introduction to the subject - Introduction to the “characters” - “Dramatic thing began to happen, with seemingly innocuous steps taken towards the unforeseen conclusion, but then, as the thing begins to unfo—“ - “Back in 1823, when the ancestor of the grandfat…

I call this the “Cloud Atlas” style, and I hate it.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

#55

This article seems to romanticize the ride's creators. Why? They built a ride that injured and killed from their own intentional neglect. The men should be regarded as murderers.

From Texas. I feel that the article is trying to describe a Texan perspective of this disaster, reconciling the reality of the criminal negligence and death with the very heavy nostalgia and romance most Texans have for the New Braunfels park, pretty much synonymous with childhood for many of us.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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I think this article makes too much of the fact that they were not engineers (I say this as a person with two engineering degrees), and too little of the fact that this was by far not the first indication of problems. I can't find the HN link now, but the official government report was pretty damning. There were numerous incidents that lead to injuries, numerous reports that rafts had gone airborne when they shouldn't have, numerous times when employees expressed reservations or misgivings about this ride. It doesn't take an engineering degree, or any degree, to respond to what you see happening. This accident didn't come out of nowhere, and they had many previous indications that there was a problem.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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post #15

When I was a kid, we went to TX (I'm from Germany) and everyone recommended going to New Braunfels because it's so German. We were quite shocked to see how german it was. It seemed like a hideout for traditional german values (as in conquering Poland) - no pleasant memory.

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Parent comment says that s/he is from Germany.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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post #15

When I was a kid, we went to TX (I'm from Germany) and everyone recommended going to New Braunfels because it's so German. We were quite shocked to see how german it was. It seemed like a hideout for traditional german values (as in conquering Poland) - no pleasant memory.

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He is German.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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post #8
post #3

I love capitalism and the idea behind laissez faire. I still think it might be the least bad thing out there but I keep coming back to stuff like this where people just don't act in their own long-term (or even short-term sometimes) interest. Caleb's gone, many people who lived in Grenfell Tower are gone, and now I think many markets where safety is critical deserve some good regulation. > He never got a conventional…

Is it really possible that no licensed engineers were involved with the project, and that none of them signed off on anything significant? Based on the article, it sounds like at least one licensed engineer noticed that rafts were leaving the track.

Engineers were involved as consultants but their assessment was cast aside.

> What’s more, according to court documents, the investigators learned that on July 3, 2014, one week before the ride’s grand opening, an engineering firm hired by Jeff and Schooley to perform accelerometer tests on Verrückt’s rafts had issued a report suggesting that if the combined weight of the three passengers in a raft was between 400 and 550 pounds—the weight Jeff and Schooley had agreed was appropriate—there was a chance the raft would go airborne on the second hill. The ride opened anyway, with the weight range unchanged.

In the end, no expert vouched for the ride’a safety.

> Kansas City reporters began digging. They quickly learned that their state, like Texas, allows water parks to be self-inspected. (Under the headline “The making of Schlitterbahn’s Verrückt water slide: Too much, too fast?” a Kansas City Star article concluded that “the ultimate safety of [Verrückt] mostly began and ended with those inspired to build it.”)

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