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Instapaper is going independent

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Re: Instapaper is going independent

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post #4

From what I’ve seen this is usually what happens when the parent company wants to close the service down. First they spin off the service into its own company then the company shuts down because of a lack of income. Is that what’s happening here? What’s the name of this process?

That's not always the case, another anecdotal counter-point. I led the "independent" spin off of Jungle Disk from Rackspace 2.5 years ago now[1] and we're actively investing (more than 3x the R&D spend), growing our services, and making acquisitions of our own[2].

[1] https://therivardreport.com/jungle-disk-finds-a-home-in-down... [2] https://www.xconomy.com/texas/2017/12/05/jungle-disk-buys-ca... / https://www.startupssanantonio.com/jungle-disk-announces-acq...

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#52
post #10

I am glad it happened and I hope they are going to find sustainable model. I've been using alternatives for past two months as Instapaper was blocked in EU and all those alternatives are horrible. Good luck guys.

If you've tried Pocket why do you think it's horrible?

Mostly text crawling and rendering. Sometimes the articles are turncated (say half of article is missing), saving from pastebin doesn't work at all (my favorite way to save long forum posts).

Also text rendering is not really good: in Instapaper you get nicely fullscreen text, not really true for Pocket: they keep too much text formating (colors, sometimes also some layouts elements) and quite often I am getting articles that are cut the way that one line contains just one word (and sometimes just few letters out of word).

Last thing is bloat, which is just minor issue: I don't care about trending posts, best offs and recomendation.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#53
https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1018903893814775810

> Some clarification from a Pinterest spokesperson: The two employees Pinterest brought on from the Instapaper acquisition will continue working at Pinterest and run Instapaper independently on the side. So sounds like Instapaper wasn’t really working out inside of Pinterest.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#54
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Background Info for users outside of Europe: Instapaper has been geoblocked for European users for the last two months.

Is it still blocked? It works here, but some geo DBs locate me in Russia because my ISP bought the IP address I use from there recently.

My home computer (in the center of Europe) is not blocked, but I see that as ip2country mapping issue (in my favor). That would explain the couple of "works for me" reports I've seen on Twitter. Still useless to me because I can't safe URLs at work or on mobile.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Brad, Brian from Instapaper here. Just want to reassure you that's not the case here, we intend to operate Instapaper for the foreseeable future. We made this decision because we believe it’s best for both Pinterest and Instapaper.

Why is this better for Pinterest and/or Instapaper? In the 2016 blog post announcing the acquisition: http://blog.instapaper.com/post/149374303661 > All of these features and developments revolved around the core mission of Instapaper, which is allowing our users to discover, save, and experience interesting web content. In that respect, there is a lot of overlap between Pinterest and Instapaper. Joining Pinterest pr…

Look at Brian's comment history: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=bthdonohue.

He's not active on HN, but he jumps in for quick damage control and "clarification" when people have vaguely privacy-related or operational questions about Instapaper. When followup questions are posed, particularly more difficult ones, he never responds. So I find it very unlikely you're going to get an answer here, because this account is clearly designed to do low-touch public reassurance without much commitment or transparency.

Now take a look at Instapaper's privacy policy: https://www.instapaper.com/privacy. In particular, direct your attention to the following, under "The Way We Use Information":

(P1) We use the information you provide to operate Instapaper's features. We do not share this information with outside parties except to the extent necessary to accomplish Instapaper's functionality.

(P3) We use non-identifying and aggregate information to better design Instapaper, to suggest popular content to users, and to share with advertisers and publishers. For example: ...

(P6) In the future, we may sell, buy, merge, or partner with other companies or businesses. In such transactions, user information may be among the transferred assets.

The "License Grant" section of the Terms of Service is also good reading, because it indicates that they can use user data in perpetuity, even after closing your Instapaper account (presumably until you explicitly request your information being deleted). What do you suppose that is used for? Maybe Brian can enlighten us.

My hypothesis is that Instapaper, either from the outset or somewhere prior to being acquired by Pinterest, developed a monetization model dependent upon selling user data (or derivative analysis/features of user data) to third parties. Most likely this is provided for market research or advertising optimization. Note that in their Privacy Policy Instapaper also states they use cookies "and other tracking technology" (and they specifically do not enumerate the full number of reasons which they do so, aside from normal login and session maintenance) in their Privacy Policy.

Further, I'm going to go ahead and assume this can be explained through basic cynicism. This monetization model was probably never terribly significant for Pinterest, except insofar as it was useful for internal discussions and inspirations for ways Pinterest could improve upon their own user data analysis. When GDPR came along, this probably tipped the scales to make Instapaper a net liability for the company (and not one in line with its financial or brand goals). Thus we have Instapaper being cut lose, yet again.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#57
post #47
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is really GDPR-ready, however, data privacy law is about being good enough. Yep, there isn’t full compliance ever. Instapaper looks very desperate with its GDPR-lockout of EU users. I guess the EU market is mostly lost …

If only the EU gave these companies a 2-year headstart to become compliant. Oh wait.

Yeah it was weird -- I remember very clearly reading about GDPR in early 2016 and then I also remember it appearing in people's development plans in late 2017/early 2018 and seeming like it was a big surprise.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#58
post #4

From what I’ve seen this is usually what happens when the parent company wants to close the service down. First they spin off the service into its own company then the company shuts down because of a lack of income. Is that what’s happening here? What’s the name of this process?

Look for how much debt the subsidiary is taking with them. The key advantage of such spinoffs, over just closing the doors, is that you can also spin away some red ink. You know things are doomed if the spunoff has either debts or onerous contractual obligations from the parent.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#59
post #4

From what I’ve seen this is usually what happens when the parent company wants to close the service down. First they spin off the service into its own company then the company shuts down because of a lack of income. Is that what’s happening here? What’s the name of this process?

It is more like a management buyout. Management thinks they can do better as a stand-alone, and ownership wants to sell it.

If a company puts a specific operation in its own legal entity, then it usually wants to sell it, or segregate risk, or for tax planning.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#60
I've been using Instapaper since the day it came out on the app store (never saw the point of the web version). Pinterest has been the worst owner! There used to be periodic improvements and updates. There's not even a full black mode for iPhone X! In the old days Instapaper would have been the first out of the gate with little features like that. Let's home there's an improvement.

Luckily the service is still better than Pocket, which has unusable pagination, no ability to sort by length, and is generally just a cluttered mess.

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