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Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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> When the Cambridge Analytica scandal went down, some pointed to Facebook’s overall lack of diversity as part of the problem. That’s because homogenous cultures lead to limited perspectives and potential lack of awareness of things that may be more obvious to diverse groups of people. If the purpose is to gain greater perspective and awareness through less homogeneous employees, then it would be more effective to hi…

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Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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> "The upside to this is that white people no longer make up the majority at Facebook." I am all for diversity, but this sentence upsets me. Decreasing one population in the place should not be the goal.

It reminds me of mercantilism.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think your example applies in the context of a tech company, so I'm going to comment ignoring it. If it boils down to who applies, then we need to make sure that we're reaching out to communities that are not well represented in our field. It's not about waiting for them to come to us.

Why respond at all if you aren't addressing the comment?

I’m addressing the part of the comment that holds merit to me, specifically the part about diversity problems and a lack of applicants from underrepresented groups.

I don’t believe that people in tech aren’t represented because of some biological difference. That might not be what the commenter was implying, but that’s how I read it.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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post #40

Techs diversity problems start early in school before college. Facebook are just the last mile. The sex based targeting of childrens toys would be a good place to start , but you won't see results for 20 years.

Sex targeted toys sell. Most parents want that for their kids. It's not a conspiracy by the toy companies.

I wouldn’t say, “most parents want [sex targeted toys]”. Rather parents give the toys their kids want. Kids want what they see, and the see gender specific toys.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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> "The upside to this is that white people no longer make up the majority at Facebook." I am all for diversity, but this sentence upsets me. Decreasing one population in the place should not be the goal.

The diversity cult is here, have your throwaway accounts ready.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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Techs diversity problems start early in school before college. Facebook are just the last mile. The sex based targeting of childrens toys would be a good place to start , but you won't see results for 20 years.

I see this a lot and I just don't understand it. Everyone in this problem seems desperate to point the finger to someone else. And it's not just sex, it's race too. Having problems hiring black tech workers? It's the college's fault. Having problems graduating black students with BSs in STEM? It's the high school's fault. Having problems graduating black students from high school? Really it's the fault of the communi…

>Having problems fixing poverty? Really it's the fact that no good jobs will hire us.

There are only 3 things you need to do in order to not be permanently poor in the US -

1. Graduate High School 2. Don't have kids before you're married 3. Get a job, it doesn't have to be a "good" job.

Specifically with black America, it is very obvious that the vast amount of fatherless children is a huge problem. Single motherhood is associated (if not causally linked) with many very negative outcomes. This is a problem of culture and a lack of personal responsibility. Society does not make black Americans have kids disproportionately out of wedlock. Though it could be argued that the welfare programs enacted in the 60's have encouraged this behavior.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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"In the U.S., Facebook is 3.5 percent black, compared to just 2 percent in 2014, and 4.9 percent Latinx compared to 4 percent in 2014. White people, unsurprisingly, still makes up the single largest population of employees (46.4 percent today versus 57 percent in 2014). The upside to this is that white people no longer make up the majority at Facebook." No mention is made of the fraction of Asians, because their over…

> There are industries such as education where the vast majority of workers are female. Yes, and they've tended to be the lower-paid professions. Nurses instead of doctors, teachers instead of principals, etc. This argument is a little like citing "black people have water fountains, too" to defend the segregated South. It misses the point.

Female dominated professions, on average, have more time off, more flexible hours, significant social components, less physically dangerous, etc. Maybe these things matter, on average, more to women than men. Why should we expect women to have the exact same distribution of preferences as men? Why are we accepting the frame that the only thing that matters is salary?

If women choose their profession based on factors other than salary, it is a little strange to analogize them to black people under segregation. Just because someone has different values doesn't mean that they have false consciousness or are acting under duress.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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"In the U.S., Facebook is 3.5 percent black, compared to just 2 percent in 2014, and 4.9 percent Latinx compared to 4 percent in 2014. White people, unsurprisingly, still makes up the single largest population of employees (46.4 percent today versus 57 percent in 2014). The upside to this is that white people no longer make up the majority at Facebook." No mention is made of the fraction of Asians, because their over…

I completely agree and I'm not sure why over-representation isn't a larger issue.

Honest question: Is your concern about over-representation limited to Asian people, or do you have similar concerns about white male over-representation in tech and elsewhere?

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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post #29

This is one of the comments on that article: ------- > The upside to this is that white people no longer make up the majority at Facebook. Why is that an upside? It seems utterly racist to me. Let’s try to substitute “white” with, say, Asian. “The upside to this is that Asian people no longer make up the majority at Facebook.” Or how about the color black? “The upside to this is that black people no longer make up th…

Because historically many American companies were 100% white and controlled all the financial and political power. We never had a homogenous Asian or black majority in our society, so there is an attempt here to make up for hundreds of years of segregation where black people were not allowed in the office, the church, the restaurant etc, simply because they were black.

Re: Facebook’s diversity efforts show little progress after five years

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> "The upside to this is that white people no longer make up the majority at Facebook." I am all for diversity, but this sentence upsets me. Decreasing one population in the place should not be the goal.

But percentages are zero sum. You can't increase diversity without decreasing homogeneity.

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