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Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by tel »

patio11 wrote: post #29
rbanffy wrote: post #8

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There was a time when you had to carefully choose your hardware to work with Linux. These days, you have to carefully choose your hardware in order to experience problems. I am surprised by how many people do the latter.

If 95% of components work on Ubuntu, and your computer life involves 25 components (start counting, you'll hit it pretty quickly), Ubuntu is totally broken for about 75% or so of users. If Mom's camera or wireless doesn't work, she does not perceive the computer as being mostly functional.

That said, if 95% of all components work on Ubuntu, maybe 99% of common components work on it, maybe 99.99% of things Dell sells work on it. You're still stuck by that $15 webcam Mom bought at Walmart, though.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by mikeryan »

CrazedGeek wrote: post #22
borisk wrote: post #13

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Both Windows and Mac OS X have server versions, that can easily be installed on desktops.

...neither of which come with the normal versions (and, indeed, are quite a bit more expensive), so most people will never even touch them on their PCs.

OS X comes preinstalled with Apache. No need for OS X server.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by anodari »

nivertech wrote: post #30

Ubuntu is excellent, except: 1. Firefox and Chrome are very slow and freezing, when opening many tabs. 2. Flash plugin is crashing constantly 3. OpenOffice is very slow and freezing. Can't render properly MS Office documents.

1,2. Try using chromium and ff4 (minefield for 64 bits) 3. These are known OO problems, version 3.2 is a lot better.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by moo »

My workplace experience is that most of these so called "average Windows users" don't even understand the Windows environment to a functional level and need hand holding to use basic features like Remote Desktop, create a mapped drive, or navigate the file system. They don't have any interest in learning more about computers, they just absorb the minimum possible computer skills to perform required office work. They don't even really understand the office tools they use everyday like Microsoft Office. As ignorant as they are about Windows they are more than willing to jump ship to an unfamiliar Apple computer as they have heard it is even more simple to use. These "office workers" know how to click(oops), then double click the big motha icon to open the data entry application, and type away all day, then leave the application open so they don't have to open it again. This stuff is going to simplify down to something like a fast food restaurant cash register with food icons on the keys.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by code_duck »

unwantedLetters wrote: post #36
code_duck wrote: post #6

I've been using Ubuntu since 6.04, longer than any other Linux distribution (one or the other has been my main desktop since 1999). I have to say, though that of course, Ubuntu wouldn't exist as it is without the grandeur of Debian - thanks, Debian.

You probably meant 6.06. That was my first Ubuntu as well, though it was also my first Linux distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases

Right, 6 something is all I remember at this point! Huh... looking at that list, it might have been even earlier, because I remember Breezy Badger and Hoary Hedgehog. I recall Dapper Drake being a particularly good release, so you jumped in at a good time!

So, I guess actually 5.04 was when I moved over from Debian. I think it was before Debian Sarge was released, which apparently was 2 months before Hoary Hedgehog, so that makes sense.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by natrius »

sprout wrote: post #46
rbanffy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a time when you had to carefully choose your hardware to work with Linux. These days, you have to carefully choose your hardware in order to experience problems. I am surprised by how many people do the latter.

I don't think it takes that much effort to have trouble with suspend/hibernate. I've found it to be the rule rather than the exception.

Suspend works perfectly for me on a Dell Studio XPS, an EeePC, and a MacBook.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

sprout wrote: post #46
rbanffy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a time when you had to carefully choose your hardware to work with Linux. These days, you have to carefully choose your hardware in order to experience problems. I am surprised by how many people do the latter.

I don't think it takes that much effort to have trouble with suspend/hibernate. I've found it to be the rule rather than the exception.

True, that used to be a big problem for me as well until about 1 year back. I think it was Karmic that finally solved it on all my laptops.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by [deleted] »

thristian wrote: post #33
spacemanaki wrote: post #28

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I'm not sure I follow your suggestion of "package it into your app/lib yourself". Are you suggesting manually installing stuff that isn't available from Macports or Fink? Or something else? For the record I'm pretty green when it comes to Unix sysadmin stuff so go easy... I'm genuinely interested - I'm a new Mac user who came from Linux and my biggest issue on the Mac so far is that package management isn't as good a…

For what it's worth, I'm an ex-Mac user who went back to Linux because I missed apt. Of course, I do a lot of hobby programming and general messing around with open-source software; if your use-cases tend more towards pre-packaged software, you might get on perfectly well.

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Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by code_duck »

IgorPartola wrote: post #17

I keep try to evangelize the fact that things like apt are one of the biggest wins for the various UNIX-like OS's. In Windows world installing software takes both finding it and configuring the installer. On a Mac you have to at least find it. On Ubuntu/Debian/etc you just have to know the name (or you can search a central database). Also no more Java/Flash player/Acrobat Reader "needs to be updated" messages. You up…

It's so true - when I configure a Windows machine I can't believe what a pain it is to go find and install all the needed software (go to web page... click... find download area... download... double click... click 800 more times...). And then, uninstallation is a mess. That's one of the things that I think is so silly when people say Linux isn't user friendly, that the package management is really so amazing, and people who have never used Linux really just have no idea.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Post by [deleted] »

spacemanaki wrote: post #28
demallien wrote: post #25

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yeah, until the repository maintainers mess up, create two packages that are in conflict, and yet both installed on your system, and now every attempt to update your software fails because you have out-of-date dependencies that can't be updated due to the conflict. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit bitter about my fedora install at the moment :) That said, I think you overestimate the delta between OSX and the va…

I'm not sure I follow your suggestion of "package it into your app/lib yourself". Are you suggesting manually installing stuff that isn't available from Macports or Fink? Or something else? For the record I'm pretty green when it comes to Unix sysadmin stuff so go easy... I'm genuinely interested - I'm a new Mac user who came from Linux and my biggest issue on the Mac so far is that package management isn't as good a…

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