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Re: Impossible color

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I have always wondered why there is a transition between violet and red, if they are on opposite ends of the frequency spectrum. Despite that, they don't act like two extremes, just two positions on a "wheel". Why is color so wheel-like when the physics is just linear? What are we "seeing" when we see a violet-red? Why do we feel like violet is between blue & red?

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Re: Impossible color

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post #44

Isn’t it trivial to show impossible colors in VR by texturing an object in different colors like blue and yellow for each eye’s perspective?

My vision seems to oscillate between both eyes in the example picture shown (the yellow-blue one) - in the overlay, the colour changes from yellow to blue and back, with an overlay inbetween. If I concentrate I can see yellow over a blue background consistently though. Does anyone have the same or a very different experience? I imagine something similar would happen with your proposal, and possibly make people sick.…

For me it is blurred yellow-blue striped tape that goes slowly from left to right (idk why, but since you mentioned, my right eye is a little ‘for close-up’). Sometimes one eye takes over and I see just one of the colors.

Re: Impossible color

#53

I have always wondered why there is a transition between violet and red, if they are on opposite ends of the frequency spectrum. Despite that, they don't act like two extremes, just two positions on a "wheel". Why is color so wheel-like when the physics is just linear? What are we "seeing" when we see a violet-red? Why do we feel like violet is between blue & red?

My completely made up intuitive understanding of it is that it's the same as musical pitches; there are many versions of each named pitch e.g A through G that are each an "octave" away from each other. The difference between "Middle C" and the one above it is that the frequency of the higher version is exactly double that of the lower. As a listener the two notes sound extremely similar, the higher one just feels more "energetic" or something. I imagine colors would be the same if our eyes could see more than one "octave" but we are only sensitive to approximately one "octave" of light, ~ 480Thz-750Thz.

Given that, violet appears to be between red and blue in the same way the pitch of G appears to be between the pitches F and A.

Re: Impossible color

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interrobang is spreading all over hackernews!

From the people who brought you uptalking? and the Indian Head Wobble, comes another thing which means absolutely nothing.

Just because you don't, like, literally know what it means, doesn't mean it means nothing! In any case, I could care less.

Re: Impossible color

#55
post #50

> Impossible colors or forbidden colors are supposed colors that cannot be perceived in normal seeing of light that is a combination of various intensities of the various frequencies of visible light, but are reported to be seen in special circumstances. This article could use some serious copy editing.

So do it then.

It would probably be better if somebody who understands the article does it.

Re: Impossible color

#56

I have always wondered why there is a transition between violet and red, if they are on opposite ends of the frequency spectrum. Despite that, they don't act like two extremes, just two positions on a "wheel". Why is color so wheel-like when the physics is just linear? What are we "seeing" when we see a violet-red? Why do we feel like violet is between blue & red?

There are three kinds of cones in the eye, and each frequency of light is absorbed at a different rate by each of them. So when your eyes see light of a given frequency your brain gets this information as three numbers, which you can visualise as points in 3-dimensional space. One of the directions in this space just represents brightness, so we can throw it away if we're only thinking about colour.

So the different colours are all points in a 2-dimensional space. Each frequency corresponds to a given point in this space. If you plot all the frequencies from the spectrum they form a curve in this space, which is a semicircular shape. Red is at one end of the arc, and violet is at the other.

But the possible colour aren't just the ones on this arc. We can also see colours that correspond to mixtures of different frequencies. These fill in the inside of the semicircle, creating the full space of possible colours, which looks like this (https://pbbhandarkar.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/colorspace....). The spectral colours are on the arc around the outside, and all the colours on the interior can only be made by mixtures. The line joining red and violet is called the "line of purples". It joins violet back up to red to make a circle, but it consists only of mixtures rather than spectral colours. The spectral colours don't go around in a circle, just a semicircle. We need the line of purples to join it back up.

Re: Impossible color

#57

I have always wondered why there is a transition between violet and red, if they are on opposite ends of the frequency spectrum. Despite that, they don't act like two extremes, just two positions on a "wheel". Why is color so wheel-like when the physics is just linear? What are we "seeing" when we see a violet-red? Why do we feel like violet is between blue & red?

My completely made up intuitive understanding of it is that it's the same as musical pitches; there are many versions of each named pitch e.g A through G that are each an "octave" away from each other. The difference between "Middle C" and the one above it is that the frequency of the higher version is exactly double that of the lower. As a listener the two notes sound extremely similar, the higher one just feels mor…

Good guess, but completely wrong I'm afraid.

Re: Impossible color

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the people who brought you uptalking? and the Indian Head Wobble, comes another thing which means absolutely nothing.

Just because you don't, like, literally know what it means, doesn't mean it means nothing! In any case, I could care less.

You probably meant "I couldn't care less" - that is, there is nothing I care less about.

Re: Impossible color

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My completely made up intuitive understanding of it is that it's the same as musical pitches; there are many versions of each named pitch e.g A through G that are each an "octave" away from each other. The difference between "Middle C" and the one above it is that the frequency of the higher version is exactly double that of the lower. As a listener the two notes sound extremely similar, the higher one just feels mor…

Good guess, but completely wrong I'm afraid.

Interesting! Although I don't think this means I'm completely wrong, just that there are "true/full violet" values that we can't see that would make the semi-circle that is visible light into a full circle if we could see a full "octave"; instead we are limited to seeing just violets that are mixes of other colors.

Re: Impossible color

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post #10

Isn’t it trivial to show impossible colors in VR by texturing an object in different colors like blue and yellow for each eye’s perspective?

Traditional displays (such as what would be used in vr goggles) do not produce yellow light. You only get reddish-green with rgb colors

Your comment inspired me to look at my phone under a microscope (I opened a paint program's color picker).

As with many things I have examined under a microscope, I didn't actually learn anything new, but it was still interesting to see for myself.

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