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Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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Re: Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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There will be more dust, no doubt. Tesla needs desperately money from the orders, they have no choice but take a risk. Some issues may arise later. Tesla plans to fix them later and that's doable because their production volumes are still low and they manufacture only expensive cars. Tesla owners know by now that they get a car that is incredible to drive, has very high quality 'skateboard' but all the normal parts b…

Tesla need to take money from new clients to make their existing clients whole. That's kind of a bad sign...

I wonder if they are doing this because a bunch of people have requested a refund on the first round of Model 3 orders.

Re: Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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Last I read, Tesla is holding $985MM in customer deposits. [1] Now they are asking for, I'm assuming, full payment for cars starting at $48,000. However, the soonest one can be delivered is in "two to four months" and that's only for the trim that starts at $64,000. Plus there are now quite a few options costing in the thousands. For every 10,000 customers that place an order of the, likely, several hundred thousand…

EDIT: Apparently, the ask is for an additional $2,500. [2] That would make $25MM per 10,000 customers that place an order.

Right, and so the premise of your original comment no longer applies. Or am I missing something?

Re: Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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Tesla need to take money from new clients to make their existing clients whole. That's kind of a bad sign...

I wonder if they are doing this because a bunch of people have requested a refund on the first round of Model 3 orders.

Ah that's entirely possible

Re: Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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They may very well be, but rt.com is perhaps not the best source.

Why? Because it has "Russia" in its name? Seriously,give it a try. Everything has bias,but RT does a better job covering global stories than most American cable networks. Attacking the source is the weakest form of argument.

Because it is controlled and funded by the Russian government. There are currently multiple investigations ongoing about the Russian government's undue influence on western media and politics.

As for my "argument", there is none. What's in the article may very well be true, I have no opinion on it.

Re: Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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The way I see it, logistics aside, Tesla has awesome cars that are loved by those that manage to get one delivered, customers are actually lining up to buy them to the extent of paying just to get in line for that years ahead of time, and they are pretty much guaranteed to sell anything they ship for the foreseeable future.

Better still most of their would be competitors are either not shipping at all right now, years away from shipping at scale, just plain not even bothering to compete, or shipping limited volumes of not so great products, and generally being vague about timelines, volumes, etc. On top of that they and are struggling with over production of vehicles based on legacy petrol/diesel technology.

E.g. the Germans are doing a lot of hand waving around maybe shipping some electric cars in the next decade while the likes of BMW continue to ship seriously underwhelming electric cars. Ford just discontinued a lot of their petrol sedans. And diesel gate continues to impact most manufacturers involved with basically anything Diesel based.

The way I see it, Tesla will be essentially unchallenged for the next 2-3 years. That's a lot of time to get on top of some simple logistics. And that's assuming the existing car manufacturers actually get their act together. IMHO, most of them are at far bigger risk of bankruptcy than Tesla since they'll be bogged down in demand issues, layoffs, and restructurings for the next few decades.

I don't see the logistical situation as something that can't be resolved by Tesla. Kind of silly to short Tesla under the assumption that this won't be solved; cannot be solved; and that Tesla will perpetually be unable to solve this. The argument seems to be that it is simply impossible to produce the vehicles for Tesla.

If the latest rumors are to be believed, they are pretty much close to the promised rate of 5K cars/week. At 50K price (conservative) that means 250M per week in revenue, or 1 Billion per month. That sounds like a decent business to me. I'm assuming they are not stopping at 5K per week.

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I know then tent is getting a lot of criticism from the public but it is a smart move. The tent gives extra space to add more individual steps to the assembly line and humans are best suited for tasks that are rapidly changing. I think someone finally realized that you can have as many steps in the assembly line as you want so long as no single step exceeds your quota divided by the time per day. (i.e. need to make 1…

Shouldn't they have been standing there with a stop watch right from the start?

It's not exactly a subtle point that throughput is limited by, what's the cliché, the bottlenecks.

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They may very well be, but rt.com is perhaps not the best source.

Why? Because it has "Russia" in its name? Seriously,give it a try. Everything has bias,but RT does a better job covering global stories than most American cable networks. Attacking the source is the weakest form of argument.

RT is solid propaganda trash, with some neutral stories to sucker useful idiots into thinking they're reputable, and high production values to make it all gleam. If the story is legit, other agencies will cover it too.

Re: Tesla opens the Model 3 reservation floodgates

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Are any of these deposits protected? I assume when Tesla folds, they will all be lost?

Why would Tesla fold ?

Because their current liabilities exceed their liquid assets by several billion dollars.
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