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Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by eucitizen »

exegete wrote: post #50
mad_tortoise wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you sign up to be in the police, or ICE, or any such governmental arm used to jail the poor and protect the rich, and are passively accepting these policies you are supporting them. As such by supporting these despicable policies those enforcing them are scum in my books, and if they are doing these things I see nothing wrong with publishing their information. Maybe now they will be as afraid as the people they pe…

What if you're an law enforcement agent and do your job ethically (refuse unethical orders, etc.)? Or what if you're pressured by your supervisor to do things that unethical and know that the consequence of not doing those things is getting your and your family's lives ruined? Should your private info be exposed so you can be harassed?

i’ll leave this here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1979/10/21/t...

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by deftturtle »

cozzyd wrote: post #5

I don't get it... the author has a web site of his own. If he wants to distribute information, why not put it there instead of relying on third parties? (not offering any opinion on whether or not the data should be distributed, just questioning the means).

Exactly what I’m wondering. It’s not even a real fight when you know it’ll be deleted.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by zaarn »

mad_tortoise wrote: post #45
zaarn wrote: post #32

> The database included information like job title, profile picture, and general location of work. Ah, yes. The White Knight of Severely Violating People's Privacy because You're Right and They Aren't. Truly the most moral person in the world. In the current political situation in the US, afai can judge it, will enable harassers to seriously harm or even endanger the lives of these people for the crime of having the…

If you sign up to be in the police, or ICE, or any such governmental arm used to jail the poor and protect the rich, and are passively accepting these policies you are supporting them. As such by supporting these despicable policies those enforcing them are scum in my books, and if they are doing these things I see nothing wrong with publishing their information. Maybe now they will be as afraid as the people they pe…

That still gives you no right to expose them to such harm. I simply do not care what you believe, it's wrong.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

#54

Post by txcwpalpha »

ben_w wrote: post #24
txcwpalpha wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Yes you surely can expect that. That's what moderation is. That's what every site on the internet that allows user-submitted content does. Thats what Twitter does, YouTube does, Facebook does, Reddit does, and HN does. That's what GitHub does. GitHub is ultimately responsible for everything that is hosted on their site, and so of course they track each one and monitor them for violations of their policies. If t…

Your examples are explicitly social sites (networking or forums) where moderation is done by the general public seeing and responding to content. GitHub has a slightly different dynamic, being work focused, and there being no reason for most people to delve into random repositories and flag inappropriate ones. Heck, even the underlying tech assumes problems fixed with patches rather than repository deletion, so if an…

>Your examples are explicitly social sites

I guess you don't realize this, but GitHub is a social site too.

>where moderation is done by the general public seeing and responding to content.

And this is the same at GitHub, too. Have you never noticed the "Report Abuse" buttons for PRs, users, comments, etc?

> GitHub has a slightly different dynamic, being work focused, and there being no reason for most people to delve into random repositories and flag inappropriate ones.

Except you're looking at a reason right here. GitHub is also used for sharing your work with others, as was the case here. There are instances where such work is against community policies/guidelines, and in those instances, GitHub takes them down. I'm not sure where you're seeing the disconnect here. It's not any different at all than making a post on Reddit and a moderator removing it or someone reporting said post and then it being removed.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by txcwpalpha »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #12
txcwpalpha wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Yes you surely can expect that. That's what moderation is. That's what every site on the internet that allows user-submitted content does. Thats what Twitter does, YouTube does, Facebook does, Reddit does, and HN does. That's what GitHub does. GitHub is ultimately responsible for everything that is hosted on their site, and so of course they track each one and monitor them for violations of their policies. If t…

Then how comes that gitlab is still hosting this content? Do the have a different policy? Or is it they just didn't notice?

GitLab isn't still hosting the content. They too have taken it down.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by ben_w »

txcwpalpha wrote: post #54
ben_w wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your examples are explicitly social sites (networking or forums) where moderation is done by the general public seeing and responding to content. GitHub has a slightly different dynamic, being work focused, and there being no reason for most people to delve into random repositories and flag inappropriate ones. Heck, even the underlying tech assumes problems fixed with patches rather than repository deletion, so if an…

>Your examples are explicitly social sites I guess you don't realize this, but GitHub is a social site too. >where moderation is done by the general public seeing and responding to content. And this is the same at GitHub, too. Have you never noticed the "Report Abuse" buttons for PRs, users, comments, etc? > GitHub has a slightly different dynamic, being work focused, and there being no reason for most people to delv…

> I guess you don't realize this, but GitHub is a social site too.

Which is why I say “explicitly”. Github has social as what feels like a bolt-on afterthought because everyone else was doing it and it’s a buzzword.

> And this is the same at GitHub, too. Have you never noticed the "Report Abuse" buttons for PRs, users, comments, etc?

Nope. Never needed to look for one. However, rather more importantly, I have just made a deliberate look for a “report repository” link…

…and found nothing.

> Except you're looking at a reason right here.

Key word being “random”. Twitter has trends, Reddit has its front page, public Facebook posts can and do go viral. GitHub has such a list, but you need to go looking for it — you don’t have random stuff thrown in you face whenever you use it like the other platforms, so there is _much_ less opportunity to train a learning algorithm to automatically filter anything. I’m not sure you could even train such a model now, with perfect data, because that would involve understanding the purpose of a repo rather than sentiment analysis of natural language.

The appropriate people only found out about this repo because the person who made it did so with the internation to be noticed.

And I’m not saying there shouldn’t be or even that there isn’t the capacity to take things down. I’m saying comparing repos to tweets is like comparing apples to grenades — they both “keep the doctor away”, but for the most part, treat them differently.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by txcwpalpha »

ben_w wrote: post #56
txcwpalpha wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Your examples are explicitly social sites I guess you don't realize this, but GitHub is a social site too. >where moderation is done by the general public seeing and responding to content. And this is the same at GitHub, too. Have you never noticed the "Report Abuse" buttons for PRs, users, comments, etc? > GitHub has a slightly different dynamic, being work focused, and there being no reason for most people to delv…

> I guess you don't realize this, but GitHub is a social site too. Which is why I say “explicitly”. Github has social as what feels like a bolt-on afterthought because everyone else was doing it and it’s a buzzword. > And this is the same at GitHub, too. Have you never noticed the "Report Abuse" buttons for PRs, users, comments, etc? Nope. Never needed to look for one. However, rather more importantly, I have just ma…

>Which is why I say “explicitly”. Github has social as what feels like a bolt-on afterthought because everyone else was doing it and it’s a buzzword.

If that's the logic we're going by, then Facebook isn't "explicitly" social either, as it originally started out as a photo site and just had comments "bolted on" as an afterthought. And yet it still has moderation. So again, I don't even know what your point is.

>Nope. Never needed to look for one. However, rather more importantly, I have just made a deliberate look for a “report repository” link…

So because you personally have never reported anything, means that the community doesn't report things? I don't think you know how things work...

>…and found nothing.

You must have not looked very hard. Repositories are linked to users, and thus to report a repo, you report a user. And in case you have trouble finding it, the link to report a user is one of the first things you see when you open their profile, just underneath the profile picture and name.

>Key word being “random”. Twitter has trends, Reddit has its front page, public Facebook posts can and do go viral. GitHub has such a list, but you need to go looking for it — you don’t have random stuff thrown in you face whenever you use it like the other platforms

What are you even talking about? GitHub's discover repo feature is one of the very first things you see on the GitHub front page. There is literally a giant banner dedicated to discovering new projects right there in front of you when you first open up GitHub. If you do a Google search for "GitHub", the "Explore" link is the first link that is shown to you under GitHub.com. You don't have to go looking for it at all.

>so there is _much_ less opportunity to train a learning algorithm to automatically filter anything.

Who said anything about training any kind of algorithm to do anything? We're talking about reporting and moderating content. Nobody even mentioned a learning algorithm.

But hell, if we're going to bring it up: GitHub does have this. Again, on the front page of GitHub, if you click on the link in the giant banner that suggests you explore more repositories, one of the places it takes you is a list of suggested repositories that it suggests to you based on other repos that you have starred.

>The appropriate people only found out about this repo because the person who made it did so with the internation to be noticed.

The appropriate people found out about this repo because the person who made it shared the repo, because GitHub is a social site meant for sharing code, just like thousands of other people use it all the time. Just go view Show HN and see how many link to GitHub: https://news.ycombinator.com/show

I really have no idea what your point even is, other than for some reason you seem to be trying to draw some distinction in GitHub's social features against other social site's features. There is no need for such distinction, because at the end of the day the same type of moderation is still happening.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

#58

Post by zaarn »

eucitizen wrote: post #42
zaarn wrote: post #32

> The database included information like job title, profile picture, and general location of work. Ah, yes. The White Knight of Severely Violating People's Privacy because You're Right and They Aren't. Truly the most moral person in the world. In the current political situation in the US, afai can judge it, will enable harassers to seriously harm or even endanger the lives of these people for the crime of having the…

a) the eu is not a country b) it certainly is not illegal in germany, france ah, my other comment got flagged immediately. what a shame, @dang

Your other comment is simply just wrong. I doubt every single ICE employee is part of the most horrible acts they carry out.

And still, this gives you or anyone no right to violate the privacy and endanger their rights. That just puts you on the same level as them, willingly destroying the lives of others because it brings you pleasure, because you believe it to be justice.

Regarding a), I recommend to examine the syntax "Other countries or, for example, the EU", which specifically does not refer to the EU as a country due to the occurence of the word "or".

Such behaviour is also certainly a crime in germany (§238 StGB and related Articles); if your actions cause someone to die or injury or the threat thereof, you can be prosecuted for it (though you need to actively sue either a specific person or against anonymous).

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by eucitizen »

zaarn wrote: post #58
eucitizen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) the eu is not a country b) it certainly is not illegal in germany, france ah, my other comment got flagged immediately. what a shame, @dang

Your other comment is simply just wrong. I doubt every single ICE employee is part of the most horrible acts they carry out. And still, this gives you or anyone no right to violate the privacy and endanger their rights. That just puts you on the same level as them, willingly destroying the lives of others because it brings you pleasure, because you believe it to be justice. Regarding a), I recommend to examine the sy…

Paragraph 238 StGB absolutely does not hold here (I know from first hand). Also semantically you formed your phrase in such a way as though Europe as a whole had common legislation which is not the brightest thing to say.

But what do I expect from a community where there’s at least one thread daily speaking favourably of breitbart.com? Lastly, ICE employees should think hard about the direction their upper ranks are going. They absolutely have a choice to not become 21st century Gestapo. It’s not too late.

Re: GitHub and Medium take down database of ICE employee LinkedIn accounts

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Post by zaarn »

eucitizen wrote: post #59
zaarn wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your other comment is simply just wrong. I doubt every single ICE employee is part of the most horrible acts they carry out. And still, this gives you or anyone no right to violate the privacy and endanger their rights. That just puts you on the same level as them, willingly destroying the lives of others because it brings you pleasure, because you believe it to be justice. Regarding a), I recommend to examine the sy…

Paragraph 238 StGB absolutely does not hold here (I know from first hand). Also semantically you formed your phrase in such a way as though Europe as a whole had common legislation which is not the brightest thing to say. But what do I expect from a community where there’s at least one thread daily speaking favourably of breitbart.com? Lastly, ICE employees should think hard about the direction their upper ranks are…

Even if 238 does not hold, of which I'm doubtful, you still indirectly exposed another human to potentially deadly harm. I will not condone such immoral and unethical actions.

I simply do not care if you believe they are the next Gestapo. If you want to be better than Gestapo, don't expose them other people, who are potentially innocent, to harm. End of story.

Mob rule always leads to bad outcomes and this is encouraging mob rule.

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