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Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by throwaway12122 »

cletus wrote: post #33

So this is the result of several factors that are at odds with each other. 1. There is no per-country quota on H1Bs 2. There is a per-country quota on EB-1/2/3 GCs 3. And this is crux of the problem: H1Bs are issued indiscriminately, most problematically to so-called bodyshops. There are various proposals to fix the immigration backlog. There's one bill that would get rid of per-country quotas. I wonder what that wou…

Every time the topic of H1B comes up, people bring up Infosys. Why is that? Why is nobody talking about the 100 thousand Indian students who come to US every year? Who is employing them? These students are one of the primary abusers of the H1B system. They go through lengths to stay in US. They will settle for low salary so that they don't have to leave the country. Literally every scam I saw in H1B is from body shops in US, not the Indian companies. Indian companies do abuse it, by forcing the employees to sign a bond that if they want to resign, they have to come back to India and serve a 3 months notice (I know a Indian arm of an American product company who is top 1 or 2 in what they do with a 12 months notice policy by the way) or pay 5-10 lakhs Indian rupee if they want their experience certificate. And the pay offered is also only half or less of what they charge the customer.

>IT industry body Nasscom on Monday came out in defence of its members TCS and Infosys, saying the two accounted for only 7,504—8.8%—of the approved H1B visas in 2014-15.

https://www.livemint.com/Industry/pHkRcTtIoKd8MkTkBNdtSN/Inf...

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by jiminy_john »

scarejunba wrote: post #39
pfarnsworth wrote: post #7

Is it really discrimination if the system is already known to have a per-country limit, and yet more and more people from that country continue to file for Green Cards? Indians who come to the US these days know for a fact there is a 10+ year wait for a Green Card, so they're the ones taking their chances. If they scream discrimination, I call BS on that. It sucks that the system is the way it is, and I think a point…

Yes, dude. If I already know you’re discriminatory and I still apply, you’re still discriminatory. It’s in the antecedent of the clause. Just apply basic propositional logic.

If I know that by jumping off of a bridge I will get hurt but I still jump, it is the bridge that is at fault.

Brilliant logic on your side!

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by throwaway12122 »

oculusthrift wrote: post #18
taken_username wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery was a system in the way it was and it was even legal! You can't turn around and yell this is how it is.

And not being able to swarm into another country is equivalent to slavery?

I have been riding taxis for the last 1 month because DMV refuses to renew my license until my work permit (visa) extension is approved. Nearly half of the drivers I met were from another continent. They are here legally and can work and live here without fear. But, just because I am from India, I cannot. I have to constantly live in fear of one day being told to go back. My employer asked me to go back to India 2-3 years back. I felt really horrible during the last 3 months. If this is how one feels about going back, I don't know how I would feel in my death bed.

I pay my taxes, I pay social security for which I get no benefit, I have to pay US tax for income I make in India. I cannot understand why I am less valuable to your country.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by rohit2412 »

cfadvan wrote: post #50
rohit2412 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can limit immigration fairly. But don't tell me I have a lesser chance of working in USA than a Kenyan and that's not discrimination.

You can limit immigration fairly. But don't tell me I have a lesser chance of working in USA than a Kenyan and that's not discrimination. You as one of over a billion people from the same country will understandably have more competition than a Kenyan who is competing with under 50 million countrymen. Overall more Indians have a chance of working in the US than Kenyans, but the pools drawn from are at least an order…

And that's how you are discriminating on the basis of geographical area of birth.

Why isn't the system oblivious to one's country of origin?

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by rohit2412 »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #49
rohit2412 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can limit immigration fairly. But don't tell me I have a lesser chance of working in USA than a Kenyan and that's not discrimination.

Probability doesn't really work that way. There are complex factors that go into the calculation, for any set of policies. Every policy discriminates somehow, except completely unrestricted system.

I think it's fair to discriminate on skills than geographical area of birth. We call the first merit, and the second some ism.

Also, if we discriminate on merit, then racism is also fine? Maybe we should only discriminate on an individual level and with the attributes that individual has under his control.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by throwaway12122 »

rs999gti wrote: post #34
HarryHirsch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European Union Blue Card. Just consider the healthcare mess in the US.

> Just consider the healthcare mess in the US. And even with that, there are still 600K Indians trying become US citizens.

That was because being in US was considered a status symbol until recently. Parents used to feel proud to tell their friends and relatives that my son/daughter is in US, even though deep down they are afraid of ending up alone. I see an Indian eagerly waiting to be picked for the H1B visa similar to the Sausage Party movie where they all wait eagerly at the supermarket thinking outside the door is heaven or something. I agree some of the things (especially pay) are better than in India, but they are loosing a lot. And India is only going to get better (probably in another 10-15 years, lot of things in India will be comparable to what US has currently).

Coming back to the parents, now with all the negative coverage of H1B in Indian media, people have a negative perception of being in US. My visa expired and is in process of renewal. I didn't go to office one day. My dad thought I wasn't going because I was hiding from the authorities since my visa expired. They have been asking me to come back for a while now.

600K Indians out of 1 billion is nothing. Huge number of Indians don't want to leave India. I hope you know that. It becomes more evident once you are in the marriage market. Lot of them are downright reject proposals from people who work in US. Also, I never heard of Canada immigration until 1 year back. Now, a lot of my friends/colleagues are talking about or in the process of applying for the Canadian visa.

And a good number of those who apply for green card don't do it because they want to become a citizen. Its because once you complete a certain stage of green card (I-140), you can continue working in the country. Otherwise, you have to leave once you complete 6 years. They plan to work for 10-20 years, and come back to India and retire nicely with all the money they made in US.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by UncleEntity »

ta76567656 wrote: post #30
addicted wrote: post #11

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Umm reforming the immigration policy is exactly what progressives are calling for. The only difference is that the conservatives want to somehow deport everyone who is here and has been here for decades to somewhere while the “progressives” recognize that they are an integral part of the economy and want them to pay a penalty, and stand in the back of the line for American citizenship while they are provided recogniz…

Conservatives (the politicians) pretend to want to deport illegal immigrants to get votes. They don't actually want to do it because a lot of businesses depend on them for cheap labor. You don't even need to deport anyone, just start actually enforcing laws that require employers to check employee eligibility. Fewer jobs for illegal immigrants would mean less incentive for them to come. That nobody has tried this sho…

> That nobody has tried this shows IMO that nobody (in power) actually wants it.

Sheriff Joe tried this and ended up with a federal indictment, a pardon from Trump and (apparently) is now running for congress.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by badminton1 »

toweringgoat wrote: post #44
sus_007 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am thinking about coming aboard this particular boat i.e come to the USA. What would you do if you were me ?

Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ. There are places with Bay Area style salaries, there are other places with lower salaries - either way, you'll be living a comfortable life since costs will be lower than Bay Area. You'll universally find a much better healthcare system (e.g. health insurance not tied to your employer), with the exception of the UK. You'll find a humane immigration system that doesn't kick you out if yo…

You might need to revisit the definition of second world countries (soviet aligned countries during the cold war).

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by badminton1 »

cletus wrote: post #33

So this is the result of several factors that are at odds with each other. 1. There is no per-country quota on H1Bs 2. There is a per-country quota on EB-1/2/3 GCs 3. And this is crux of the problem: H1Bs are issued indiscriminately, most problematically to so-called bodyshops. There are various proposals to fix the immigration backlog. There's one bill that would get rid of per-country quotas. I wonder what that wou…

Infosys and Tata are far worse than that.

They request power of attorney from employees, file their tax returns on their behalf and steal their tax return money. Some employees do not receive their full wage.

In paper they meet H-1B salary requirements but in practice they don't.

They are not only in violation of immigration law but labor law as well.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by mFixman »

toweringgoat wrote: post #44
sus_007 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am thinking about coming aboard this particular boat i.e come to the USA. What would you do if you were me ?

Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ. There are places with Bay Area style salaries, there are other places with lower salaries - either way, you'll be living a comfortable life since costs will be lower than Bay Area. You'll universally find a much better healthcare system (e.g. health insurance not tied to your employer), with the exception of the UK. You'll find a humane immigration system that doesn't kick you out if yo…

None of those places have anywhere near Bar Area salaries: London, by far the city with the highest salaries in the West outside of the US, has salaries that are 70% of the ones you'd get in California before counting a significant amount of extra income and sales taxes and almost similarly ridicolous housing.

On the other hand, the private insurance in the UK that's usually included in big tech companies' work is absolutely top-notch.

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