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Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by bogomipz »

Eire_Banshee wrote: post #27
bogomipz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it specifically worded to not include the issue? I just see that sentence as an outright lie. I thought it was notable for its lack of "weasel words" and disingenuousness that are the hallmarks of Mark Zuckerberg's speech. From the NYTimes article: >"But the BlackBerry app had access to all of the reporter’s Facebook friends and, for most of them, returned information such as user ID, birthday, work and educat…

It specifically mentions information YOU post. Facebook collects metadata about you and your activities. That metadata is whats more dangerous... and conveniently unmentioned.

Ah OK I missed the nuance - religious affiliation, birthday, education history etc. are just a form of account metadata in this bit of subterfuge. Jeez, of course. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by kup0 »

cygned wrote: post #23
fps_doug wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why ad blockers are absolutely necessary. Not to scam companies out of their revenue, but because you cannot trust them in running clean ads. Fake virus alerts even are the lesser evil, delivering browser exploits or draining the battery by running crypto-miners are much worse. You read about such incidents every couple weeks...

On desktop, I use uBlock and Privacy Badger, but on my iPhone there doesn’t seem to be an option.

I use 1Blocker through Safari and it works well. There are many others, some that may be cheaper or free

Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by smallnamespace »

nisten wrote: post #53

This is horrible, how do I know a random chinese business won't sell it for a good markup to a russian agency or Egypt who've used it to prosecute non religious people and gays. This whole interoperability push is getting ignorant and lethal

You don't.

The simple consequence of globalization and economic integration is that what everyone does affects everyone else, and the networks of flow in information, energy, and physical commodities are so dense that it becomes very difficult to attribute cause and effect (and therefore moral responsibility) to any one actor.

If it wasn't Facebook, it would've been someone else. That's not to absolve Facebook of its behavior, just noting that there are strong incentives in place that encourage interoperability and therefore efficiency that resulted in its actions, and these incentives affect every organization worldwide.

The only way to prevent this is to build barriers to control the flow and pay the very high price of loss in efficiency. China is way ahead of things in that sense.

Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sharemywin wrote: post #17
waydowntogo wrote: post #13

It's classic. Only one thing can destroy big company / country etc - inside job. In my point of view this is beginning of FB's end.

I pretty much disagree. how exactly would that work? more regulation? so people just click though more yep, it's creepy but I don't care buttons. charge them as a monopoly? when you have google and apple?

> charge them as a monopoly? when you have google and apple?

Yes. Shocking as it may seem, being a monopoly isn't a problem per se. It's using monopoly power to do naughty things. That plus antitrust law is aching for extension into aggregator-like systems. (It also helps that Facebook neatly partitions into Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp mandarin orange slices.)

Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by rosser »

mercer wrote: post #19
bogomipz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it specifically worded to not include the issue? I just see that sentence as an outright lie. I thought it was notable for its lack of "weasel words" and disingenuousness that are the hallmarks of Mark Zuckerberg's speech. From the NYTimes article: >"But the BlackBerry app had access to all of the reporter’s Facebook friends and, for most of them, returned information such as user ID, birthday, work and educat…

Could Zuckerberg argue that this is not what he meant with 'piece of content that you share'? I imagine not, but just wondering.

"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is." — Bill Clinton

This is weasel language, used to avoid saying anything you can be held to having said, when that becomes inconvenient.

Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by sorokod »

hmhrex wrote: post #5

> “Every piece of content that you share on Facebook, you own and you have complete control over who sees it and how you share it, and you can remove it at any time,” This sentence has been bothering me because it feels like his lawyers wrote it. It's specifically worded to not include issues like this one. Ref: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/techburger/article/Zuckerbe...

So, a question to developers reading this: would you be happy to work alongside a person who participated in the development of this system?

Re: Facebook confirms data sharing with Chinese companies

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Post by 7Z7 »

RaleyField wrote: post #41
nraynaud wrote: post #33

let's try to replace one word: "Facebook confirms data sharing with Jewish companies". You see what kind of ideology this is spreading? Being Chinese is bad?

In contexts like this Chinese is often short for Chinese communist. But if that was elaborated then you would accuse people of McCarthyism and being overly hysterical about communism.

Do you mean "often short for China the country"? Because otherwise it does sound pretty weird for you to say "Chinese communist".
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