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Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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A whole pile of data on scribd was never uploaded by the original owners though, but by people posting links to pdfs to sites like HN.

Can anybody please tell me why does HN actively support such a site?

Because YC invested in it.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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post #48

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There are several reasons why I use it: - I can post papers or other documents that other people might value but not otherwise be available, such as court docs, academic papers, etc. - I can embed the documents easily in my blogs (and before at the publication I worked at) - I don't have to worry about hosting. I could easily upload the PDFs to the Web server my school grants me, but after I graduate, it's gone, and…

Post "papers of other documents": You can upload them on your free web account (like, Google Sites)? Unless you don't have the right to distribute the documents, they will remain there. Embed: Who really needs embedded PDF? What for? To have it harder to read? Just give me the plain link, thank you. Hosting: See the first paragraph. OK, anybody knows some better reason?

> You can upload them on your free web account (like, Google Sites)?

To be fair, that's what he did at the time. This account also had some added features he valued.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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People still don't understand all of the things they are agreeing to on sites like this: Scribd Creator Terms Of Service http://ipadtest.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/scribd-creator-term...

A whole pile of data on scribd was never uploaded by the original owners though, but by people posting links to pdfs to sites like HN.

I don't doubt there's piracy or unofficial uploading. But Scribd has also made a push to get self-published writers. And they miss the point someone downvoted.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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> If you start a free service, and then try to establish a pay system afterward, your users will feel tricked and trapped and they will rebel loudly. If you lock behind a paywall things previously available for free, sure. And they'll be right too. An other option is to add features which are only behind a new paywall. Issue then is providing additional services of value and a way for users to discover them.

Just as a case study, Reddit did exactly that, and their users flipped out . Reddit ended up doing OK with it -- they've made at least enough from it to be able to afford some infrastructure upgrades and at least one new hire -- but there was a pretty vocal not-small group of users that were unhappy about it.

Reddit Gold? Yeah, not the same thing as what Scribd is doing here.

Edit: Was mistaken. Assumed the parent was responding to the entire comment, rather than just a part.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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Sometimes, when reading pieces like this, I think it is time that we as internet users reach a certain point in our understanding of entitlement. There are so many services we readily use, most free of charge, while some of them provide a huge service to us. Some even make us money. But if the service providers themselves try to validate their business by making money out of it in some way, we start bitching... I do…

It's not that they're trying to make money. It's how they're trying to make money. At the start of the blog post, it sounds like the author was satisfied with scribd. I'd be willing to bet that he'd have been willing to pay them money had they approached him in the correct way.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a case study, Reddit did exactly that, and their users flipped out . Reddit ended up doing OK with it -- they've made at least enough from it to be able to afford some infrastructure upgrades and at least one new hire -- but there was a pretty vocal not-small group of users that were unhappy about it.

Reddit Gold? Yeah, not the same thing as what Scribd is doing here. Edit: Was mistaken. Assumed the parent was responding to the entire comment, rather than just a part.

The parent was pretty clearly in response to, "An other option is to add features which are only behind a new paywall."

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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People still don't understand all of the things they are agreeing to on sites like this: Scribd Creator Terms Of Service http://ipadtest.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/scribd-creator-term...

Seriously? Do you really read the entire terms of service every time you sign up for a new service? Besides that, just because you have the legal right to do something to your customers doesn't mean it's a good idea. I mean, did you realize that most stores aren't obligated to take back returns? And yet, the biggest company in the world (Wal Mart) is very well-known for taking back anything. There have even been cases of people bringing back diapers claiming they were all used beforehand.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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I can't actually believe that they would go the paywall route. It honestly seemed a few months ago when they added HTML5 support that they were going in a really great direction and now I will avoid them like the plague.

I think the whole HTML5 thing was a big PR exercise to improve the way they are seen. Possibly also a big play to get acquired - "We're doing cool stuff with fonts! Buy us!". Fundamentally though, they're about locking away documents behind a pay wall. And personally, I don't see their value proposition at all.

Their value proposition was to not lock documents away behind a pay wall. Even then they were not doing very well because of all the tag clouds and their irrelevant appearance on search results. They were the first though and do not have much competition. Quite an opportunity for someone looking for an idea.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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post #49

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Post "papers of other documents": You can upload them on your free web account (like, Google Sites)? Unless you don't have the right to distribute the documents, they will remain there. Embed: Who really needs embedded PDF? What for? To have it harder to read? Just give me the plain link, thank you. Hosting: See the first paragraph. OK, anybody knows some better reason?

> You can upload them on your free web account (like, Google Sites)? To be fair, that's what he did at the time. This account also had some added features he valued.

I see jasonlotito, you write about the main article author. As far as I understood, he tried to use the free university hosting but it was for him "cumbersome" to upload there and to follow the stats. His added values were only easier upload and easier following of the number of "reads."

Note however that he does "self publishing" experiment. Enough readers here would be able to make him one click upload script in less than 10 minutes. Ditto for parsing the logs. I don't feel sorry for him for choosing scribd and feeling how he feels now.

Re: Scribd Puts My Old Uploads Behind a Paywall and Goes Onto My Shitlist

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I would flip that around on you: I think it is time that companies reach a point in their understanding of users' reaction to the bait & switch. The value of your service to a user isn't going to increase simply due to the passage of time or growth of your site. If they wouldn't pay for it on day 1, the odds are they won't pay for it after 2 years of using the service. If, in the process of trying to monetize your se…

I want to give Scribd the benefit of the doubt. I don't really see this as malicious as much as a business decisions that was misinterpreted. It was probably something like this: People upload a lot of stuff to their service. Once content goes "stale" no one is viewing it anymore, but they are still storing it. They decided they could either remove the material to make room for new stuff or monetize the old material…

That argument's not self-consistent, though. If people are still viewing the "stale" content, then what makes it stale? If people aren't viewing the content, then how can they recoup any costs by putting it behind a paywall?
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