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US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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It's so strange--I never would have expected the boot of tyranny to come from private corporations, but here we are. And what all this proves is that technology is value-neutral and can wipe us all out, or just make us incredibly miserable, if we let it. Hopefully there will be a way to opt out. Otherwise, I should start selling faraday bags for devices. Probably should anyways.

Why wouldn't you have expected that?

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you've created a corporate Big Brother, who is hell bent on pure profits and doesn't even have to answer to you in the elections. Is that better?

Yes? Government Big Brother can put me in jail just because a cell phone record said I was near a crime while being committed. Corporate Big Brother can only make money from me.

Here the difference shows pretty clearly, as I would trust the government more than any company. Government serves the people, while companies mostly care just about profit. Any of companies' privacy concerns are related to legal and PR risks.

Being from Northern Europe, I do feel I have a good reason to trust the government. It's a machine that is working for my benefit, with my tax money, and is held accountable via my votes.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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What if I as an European visit the states? Am I protected by through some agreements with my local provider or even GDPR?

Maybe [1]. I wouldn't count on being protected while outside the EU. Art. 3 GDPR Territorial scope Article 3(1) This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to: Article 3(2)(a) - the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subje…

Practically you're just going to get extra tracked because you're a foreigner. Also if the articles about TSA borrowing your phone to clone it real quick or forcing you to log into facebook are true, I wouldn't expect them to abide to GDPR.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahaha what? There's no myth that we won it alone. Elementary school texts on the subject lay it out fairly clearly that we did it with the French.

They may talk slightly about the French help but none talk about The Spanish[1] also England was having trouble recruiting for the unpopular war so much so that about ~1/3 of the British fighting forces were mercenaries[2]. The Revolutionary war was won basically because the British Empire was starting to show it's cracks and other countries jumped at the chance to speed up it's demise. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

There's no doubt that those were factors that aided. As always nothing in world history happened due to a singular factor or cause. But it is not mythology that a lot of brave and enlightened people fought an empire and have become a very successful country. What next? Are we to discount the Allies win over the Axis because well the Third Reich was worn down due to fighting in Russia? I am a US born citizen and criticize our country quite a bit, but it is insulting to say that the uprising here wasn't the main factor in us achieving our independence.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Has anyone suggested a practical way that people can avoid being tracked? (Aside from Airplane Mode or keeping your phone in a Faraday Cage)

There's no way to do this without using your own antenna network. Even then, you need encryption just to anonymize your calls, but if you end up talking to people subscribed to the same carriers you're trying to avoid, you can trivially be de-anonymized by timing attacks. So there's no good solution, unless you're willing to turn your calls to voice mail. More practical solutions would include: -(physically) Powered…

It used to be possible to buy prepaid SIM cards with cash and not have to provide any identification. AFAIK, this isn't possible anymore. Does anyone know for sure?

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> Kevin Bankston, director of New America's Open Technology Institute, explained in a phone call that the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies, who then may disclose that same data to the government. It seems like intelligence services spend a lot of their time dreaming up ways to do an end-run…

I'd rather them try to do end-runs around the law than run it up the gut... (If I had to choose)

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

I'd say only half the wrong way.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Previously discussed yesterday, and again two days before that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17069459 This is one of the reasons I use a public-facing Twilio number, which forwards to a private number which I never hand out. This isn't something that people should have to do to opt-out of tracking like this, but it doesn't seem like there are many other reliable options.

If you take that cell phone home with you regularly and don't live in a multi-unit building, it would be relatively trivial to figure out your identity using this data.

Undoubtably. Not a strong protection against doxxing, but might offer some semblance of protection from 'drive-by-lookups'. With a modern smartphone and location services, there's only so much you can do.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Throwaway account. I work in location / mapping / geo. Some of us have been waiting for this to blow (which it hasn't yet). The public has zero idea how much personal location data is available. It's not just your cell carrier. Your cell phone chip manufacturer, GPS chip manufacturer, phone manufacturer and then pretty much anyone on the installed OS (android crapware) is getting a copy of your location data. Usually…

How can one prevent this and still carry a cell phone? Would keeping one's phone in a faraday bag defeat this constant tracking?

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Carriers are also selling your billing records. They offer a service to return the carrier billing address/name based on the mobile number.

Not only this but late last year all 4 of the major US carriers are offering APIs to convert mobile IP to a billing record (name/address/phone number).

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