Google employees reportedly quit over military drone AI project

Post by astrodust » Tue, May 15, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

option_greek wrote: post #37

briffle wrote: post #21

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F16's are used in many countries. They were developed in the US, but many, many countries use them (some of our NATO partners since the beginning) Since they were first developed, NATO partners: Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway Other European countries as soon as the mid-80's: Croatia, Greece, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Romania Middle east since the mid/late 80's: Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Jo…

My point exactly :) (check the /s = satire tag)

Post by sametmax » Tue, May 15, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #38

whb07 wrote: post #23

I’d like to offer the point of view that if the drones become better and more surgical in their precision, it would reduce civilian casualties. Like it or not the world is full of extremists who would like nothing more than to hurt innocent people. There is no “oh just send the cops and arrest them!” route to take. Shit, just look at the time Osama bin Laden could have been bombed with a tomahawk missile during Clint…

The problem is people believe in a fair world and that our foes operate with the same values so that if we accommodate them we’ll be okay and therefore we should not develop means to better wage assymetrical warfare because that’s an unfair advantage. Moreover, what if they are in the right and we are in the wrong, in terms of history. They fear that this current admin and future adminis may depend on as sec Clinton…

Post by Consultant32452 » Tue, May 15, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

option2 wrote: post #18

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #12

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Corollary: plenty of skilled engineers with fewer moralistic constraints will jump at the chance to do interesting work for high pay. For a company as large and wealthy as Google, they can continue to raise offer salaries until they are adequately staffed. There is a school of thought that recommends “moral” people doing “immoral” work because if those people left then other “immoral” people will take those jobs and…

It changes the answer you give to your kid's question: "Daddy/Mommy what do you do at work?"

Post by djhworld » Tue, May 15, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

flyinglizard wrote: post #8

I wouldn’t say that developing military hardware necessarily negates the “don’t be evil” principal (especially if the developed articles are dual use, for both military and civilian applications). The western world, our principals and values have prospered for more than half a century in Pax Americana afforded, in a large part, by the prosperous US Military Industrial Complex. I totally get the objection to developin…

Post by davesque » Tue, May 15, 2018, 5:42 PM UTC

tormeh wrote: post #40

mmjaa wrote: post #17

I once worked for a large industrial group in Europe. The kind that has a bit of a piece of every little pie there is - military, transportation, etc. I was pretty happy working there .. until I got a demo from the 'defence' group. They demonstrated the willingness to push the company's technology into heinous, heinous territory. The kind of thing where a drone would be able to follow a single person in a crowd, and…

>and sell them to any country in the world This is never true. No government will allow its companies (and in this context that's how it's seen) to sell weapons to countries they don't approve of. That said, apparently the defense industry is often irresponsible at best.