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A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by dcbadacd »

rascul wrote: post #30
FungalRaincloud wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he is implying that he would personally never use FB messenger, so he would not be able to maintain contact with those friends.

My goal is to leave Facebook Messenger completely, but I'm not going to do that until I can get something setup to replace it that my friends will use.

Same. I'm currently using FB Messenger, Hangouts, Signal, Telegram, IRC, Matrix, Keybase and it's really depressing how only FB Messenger from all of those is in my opinion competitive for just group and private messaging. Everything else just lacks some really useful feature, not to say some of those don't offer a few new features, but they're not usually useful enough.

Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by dcbadacd »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #28
wst_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a joke? Well, I'll bite. You do understand how cryptic and unbelievably this sounds to common folks? And even if, as a tech person, I could do such kind of magic I simply don't want to. I believe software must be dead simple to use. If it isn't, it means the designers screwed up their job.

This comment wasn't targeted to "common folks", it was targeted to HN readers interested in XMPP. Common folks can use Google/DuckDuckGo and find one of the readily available scripts that already do that. Others can implement their own in 15 minutes. GP claimed that there's no automated way to do that, I just said that it's wrong. Anyway, you won't be able to migrate your account to another provider at all when using…

> Common folks can use Google/DuckDuckGo and find one of the readily available scripts that already do that

This pattern of thought is why it still isn't the year of Linux on the desktop. Black squares containing only text scare people.

Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by rascul »

JepZ wrote: post #44
tehabe wrote: post #2

The problem with Jabber is, that you are locked in to one server, switching means that you have to re-add all your contacts and so far there is no automatic way to do it. I think the developer of IMCom (console Jabber client) thought about that and how it could work but I don't think his idea got a lot of attention.

I don't see the dependency on you provider as much as a problem as how you should know which provider will be there in five years. Furthermore, running your own server isn't as easy as it should be. I run my own ejabberd with about 20 users (mostly family) since a few years now, but the configuration still gives me headaches. It is not as complicated as mail server, but still not as easy as providing the domain name…

Have you looked at Prosody? They try to make it easy to setup and configure.

https://prosody.im

Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by OoooooooO »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #28
wst_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a joke? Well, I'll bite. You do understand how cryptic and unbelievably this sounds to common folks? And even if, as a tech person, I could do such kind of magic I simply don't want to. I believe software must be dead simple to use. If it isn't, it means the designers screwed up their job.

This comment wasn't targeted to "common folks", it was targeted to HN readers interested in XMPP. Common folks can use Google/DuckDuckGo and find one of the readily available scripts that already do that. Others can implement their own in 15 minutes. GP claimed that there's no automated way to do that, I just said that it's wrong. Anyway, you won't be able to migrate your account to another provider at all when using…

> Common folks can use Google/DuckDuckGo and find one of the readily available scripts that already do that

We seem to have quite different views about "common people".

Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by Boulth »

rascul wrote: post #46
Boulth wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say XMPP did not change for 20 years, have you seen https://conversations.im/ ? Except voice / video (that I personally use rarely either way) I don't see any important modern feature missing.

Not saying it didn't change, that remark came from a non tech friend of mine, and it's hard for me to disagree without getting into boring technical stuff they're not interested in.

I'm not talking about boring technical info but user visible changes like easy image / file sharing, "X has read until this point..." etc. They are small changes and already present in proprietary solutions but for users this is a visible change.

I put my entire family on a self hosted server and for them it looks like any other modern messenger. (no voice video calls yep).

Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by stoerfall »

Promarged wrote: post #3

As far as I've seen there were some problems with hanging Prosody at trashserver.net [0], was this resolved? [0]: https://social.tchncs.de/@trashserver in German

Yes, this is resolved since yesterday. I'm still waiting to make sure it really is fixed ... but no more downtime since 2 days.

Re: A free XMPP server powered by green energy and hosted in Germany

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Post by rascul »

Vinnl wrote: post #48
Freak_NL wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal is also effectively limited to smartphones due to the phone number requirement, making it even less free.

You can use Signal desktop - all you need is a phone to receive a confirmation text message, but that needn't be a smartphone.

I guess one could sign up with a Google Voice number or something, but the whole idea of requiring a phone number for anything not related to a phone is just ridiculous to me.

Even more ridiculous when Walmart almost wouldn't sell me tires because I didn't have a phone number. It took three different managers to figure out how to put in 000-000-0000.

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