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Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

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Re: Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

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that doesn’t sound like Obama.. ppl would definitely comment wondering why he sounds different.

Right, it's just Jordan Peele doing an impression. I agree that a lot of people would immediately notice the difference and get that it's fake, but I expect there's also a significant number of people who wouldn't.

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BuzzFeed's article with the backstory behind this video: https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/obama-fake-news-jordan-pe... (Disclosure: I work for BuzzFeed)

Off topic, but what is working for Buzzfeed like? I used to hate everything Buzzfeed-branded, but it seems like it's been improving journalistically recently. How are the working conditions? Do you believe in your purpose?

Even "lately" is unfair, I think. They hired Mark Schoofs (ProPublica) in 2013 and have steadily been doing work since probably even before that.

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As an example: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/the-f... My spouse, who is a native fluent speaker of the languages, follows a large number of Dari and Urdu language Facebook groups and friends. If you think Americans have a problem with reposting stupid things that can be easily debunked by Snopes, you would not believe the amount of naivete on display daily in those language formats. It's hard…

Your example is literally of a farmer who is 0 generations removed from sustenance farming.

And on a scale of 1 to 10, since I doubt he knows of the existence of advanced video fakery techniques, how likely do you think it is that he could be completely fooled by a faked video of a Myanmar domestic celebrity or politician?

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>>But when have they been corrupt? When have they manipulated their reporting? I think this is your bias showing if you believe the New York Times, Washington Post, and WSJ are not just a manipulative in their reporting as CNN, Fox News and MSNBC. Do they outright lie, of course not, but they omit things, they choose not to run some stories that do not fit their narrative, they choose to "expose" the most extreme ver…

I think CNN was clearly corrupt in the last election cycle. That's pretty well documented (especially helping Hillary against Bernie). It wasn't just "manipulative in their reporting". It was out-and-out helping a campaign win. Are the NYT, WP, and WSJ biased? Sure. Are they corrupt in the sense that CNN was? I haven't seen evidence of it.

If anything the Washington Post was worse than CNN. They ran 16 anti-Bernie stories in 16 hours [1]. Their outright complete support of Hillary was very obvious.

[1] https://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-storie...

NY Times often used spurious polling and statistics to push Hillary. They messaged that Hillary was in the lead before primaries even began based on predicted super delegate numbers. They claimed with over 90% certainty that Hillary would win the election on election day, even when it was obvious to casual observers such as myself that that number was totally wrong. They were trying to manufacture consent.

Re: Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

#55

that doesn’t sound like Obama.. ppl would definitely comment wondering why he sounds different.

It's not him for sure but I thought it sounded really good. It's only going to get better, too, when we have a good AI or other type of solution to replicate his voice and mannerisms.

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#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think CNN was clearly corrupt in the last election cycle. That's pretty well documented (especially helping Hillary against Bernie). It wasn't just "manipulative in their reporting". It was out-and-out helping a campaign win. Are the NYT, WP, and WSJ biased? Sure. Are they corrupt in the sense that CNN was? I haven't seen evidence of it.

If anything the Washington Post was worse than CNN. They ran 16 anti-Bernie stories in 16 hours [1]. Their outright complete support of Hillary was very obvious. [1] https://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-storie... NY Times often used spurious polling and statistics to push Hillary. They messaged that Hillary was in the lead before primaries even began based on predicted super delegate numbers. They cl…

> They messaged that Hillary was in the lead before primaries even began based on predicted super delegate numbers.

Which was true.

> They claimed with over 90% certainty that Hillary would win the election on election day, even when it was obvious to casual observers such as myself that that number was totally wrong.

Even election day doesn't necessarily prove that "wrong". 90% chance of Hillary winning means a 10% chance of Trump winning. If I draw a red ace of clubs out of a deck of cards, I don't go "that's statistically unlikely, fake news!"

It appears that 538's model was better, in hindsight, as he appears to have been correct to give more credence to the chances of a multi-state polling miss. It's not clear the NYT's model was necessarily wrong, through.

Re: Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

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I think people are seeing the risks of people creating fake videos but there's another risk that I think is being overlooked. As convincing fake videos become a reality and articles like this inform the general public of that reality it becomes incredibly easy to dismiss any inconvenient videos as deep fakes. If Mitt Romney had made his 47% comment in the present climate he likely would have been able to skate by saying that was a deep fake, created by political adversaries.

Re: Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

#58

> It's a time when we need to rely on trusted news sources That's the rub, isn't it? Who's a "trusted" new source? All the major players have shown biases, corruption, and manipulation. Lots of people therefore consider some fly-by-night facebook feed that says what the majors don't to be more "trusted" in response. We shouldn't "rely" on single points of perceived trust, especially in this massive for-profit, for-po…

The problem lies in the motive. News organizations are (not surprisingly) entirely motivated by profit. Breaking even is not enough. Doing well is not enough. Improving profit drastically quarter over quarter is the goal. To do that, you cannot simply "provide news" anymore. You need conflict. You need confirmation bias. You need to create a wild, screaming echo chamber that induces panic and fear. You need conflict,…

Turning 40 this year, so I remember the same media you do. As the Internet grew and options proliferated, I always wanted a particular kind of news that I haven't seen crop up yet. Just a feed. No commentary, no talking heads discussing what something might mean. Just a network which shows video of news events happening. If something is happening in the legislature, I want to watch the legislators doing it. I can get the interpretation and more information about what's going on somewhere else. But the bare "this is what happened" without the fluff just isn't something you can really get. And sure, there's still editorial influence in what they would choose to show and how its shown and other such things, but a countless number of times I've just wanted to see the thing that actually happened.

We have known for centuries that who says a thing cannot influence its truth. How a thing is expressed can't affect it either. An untreated schizophrenic hobo screaming into the street can be telling the truth, and an esteemed professor reporting on new findings in his field can be a liar. It has always been inadvisable to do anything other than analyze claims critically, and I suppose if deepfaking becomes widespread, that will have to be relied upon more than ever.

Re: Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything the Washington Post was worse than CNN. They ran 16 anti-Bernie stories in 16 hours [1]. Their outright complete support of Hillary was very obvious. [1] https://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-storie... NY Times often used spurious polling and statistics to push Hillary. They messaged that Hillary was in the lead before primaries even began based on predicted super delegate numbers. They cl…

> They messaged that Hillary was in the lead before primaries even began based on predicted super delegate numbers. Which was true. > They claimed with over 90% certainty that Hillary would win the election on election day, even when it was obvious to casual observers such as myself that that number was totally wrong. Even election day doesn't necessarily prove that "wrong". 90% chance of Hillary winning means a 10%…

> Which was true.

Except that it was not. Superdelegates had not yet cast their vote.

You seem to be defending the news coverage. Do you also want to respond to the WP Bernie posts, or are you going to conveniently ignore that one?

Re: Fake Barack Obama delivers a PSA about “deep fakes” using a deep fake video

#60

> It's a time when we need to rely on trusted news sources That's the rub, isn't it? Who's a "trusted" new source? All the major players have shown biases, corruption, and manipulation. Lots of people therefore consider some fly-by-night facebook feed that says what the majors don't to be more "trusted" in response. We shouldn't "rely" on single points of perceived trust, especially in this massive for-profit, for-po…

You're right that it's for profit and sensationalism, but it's worse than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suFzznCHjko

Awesome interview, thanks for the link. The end of the interview where Chomsky describes the Internet as a double-edged sword and (correctly) suggests that it could turn into "a home-marketing service, and a way of marginalizing people even further" is particularly interesting.

https://youtu.be/suFzznCHjko?t=27m7s

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