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Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by elblanco »

panacea wrote: post #35
lzw wrote: post #27

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I'm an American, I used to watch the daily dhow regularly, and you are spot on. The show pretends to be giving the news, t itbis dishonest, and it essentially tells lies about others in order to mock them. If it mocked them for things they actually did, it would be one thing, but people believe that it is accurately portraying them and so it spreads misinformation as part of a hate campaign. I've studied leni reifens…

Did you seriously just compare The Daily Show to Nazi Propaganda films? (And there's no way I accept that it's a socialist hate campaign... that's straight out of Glenn Beck rhetoric land).

Don't feed the troll. This guy is clearly stuck in 1950's McCarthy-land and thinks Godwin's law is a guidebook, not a admonishment of sloppy thinking. You'll only be debating your grandfather here.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by krschultz »

ugh wrote: post #14
w00pla2 wrote: post #6

John Stewart’s show is probably the worst show that someone could create. He does not even attempt to be objective. A large part of 20 somethings use this as their main news source. It is sad when people are not willing to watch news for news’ sake (instead of having it mixed with comedy – like a child gets medicine mixed with syrup). And whilst the Daily Show serves as the main news source for many of 20 somethings,…

Who told you that politics is off limits for comedy? I have literally never ever heard that sentiment expressed.

Hundreds of years of political satire (cartoons, opinion pieces) agree with you.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by elblanco »

mkr-hn wrote: post #32
w00pla2 wrote: post #28

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> I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. Nope. They often have interviews under false pretenses (the interviewee doesn't know he is from the daily show). The questions and the persons facial expressions) is often edited in afterwards.

Can you cite this?

Don't even bother engaging him anymore, he's just regurgitating conspiracy theories that float around in right-wing circles as a way to explain their often public embarrassments.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by w00pla2 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #43
w00pla2 wrote: post #39

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I am no fan of Roodt, but the Daily Show did its best to misrepresent his nuanced view. Here is a really bad translation on his website (praag.co.za): http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&h...

And it was still funny. Everyone I know is fully aware of how some groups are treated in SA. I think this is the disconnect: You see TDS as a news source, and are worried that its viewers take it as news. But they don't. We watch it to be entertained. We're already well-informed on what they're joking about.

> Everyone I know is fully aware of how some groups are treated in SA.

Nope. Most people will simply not get the nuances. I sincerely doubt (no offense) that you know anything about the situation (economic, cultural, etc...) of several groups.

By the way - getting the interview under false pretenses is still unethical.

But yeah, he is now branded as a racist.

> You see TDS as a news source, and are worried that its viewers take it as news.

TDS is an opinion former. What it does is presents a warped and highly subjective view of certain complex topics.

In any case, I guess that TDS is simply the result for a demand of such programs. Just like the dumbing down of CNN is because of demand factors.

People like their news like they like their fast food: Only the juicy bits and they don't care whether it is accurate or not.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by elblanco »

krschultz wrote: post #52
ugh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who told you that politics is off limits for comedy? I have literally never ever heard that sentiment expressed.

Hundreds of years of political satire (cartoons, opinion pieces) agree with you.

> Thousands of years of political satire (cartoons, opinion pieces) agree with you.

Fixed that for you.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by w00pla2 »

elblanco wrote: post #53
mkr-hn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite this?

Don't even bother engaging him anymore, he's just regurgitating conspiracy theories that float around in right-wing circles as a way to explain their often public embarrassments.

> he's just regurgitating conspiracy theories that float around in right-wing circles as

Firstly, I am not "right wing". I am libertarian and socially liberal.

> as a way to explain their often public embarrassments.

This is exactly the idiocy that I was talking about. Note that you put everyone in an "us" and "them" basket.

I do not care what the content of the program is, as long as it is objective.

Unfortunately many people on the internet (such as yourself) just flock to news sources that agree with your point of view (such as Huffington Post, reddit.com, Alternet, TDS, etc...) and the right flock to their websites and programs (Glen Beck, Redstate, whatever).

In the end those programs just end up engaging in character assassination instead of having a constructive and rational debate. But I guess that is too much too ask.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

mquander wrote: post #45
lzw wrote: post #42

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Of course because your understanding of becks general manner comes from the daily show. That's the waht's brilliant about this form of political propaganda- it makes you think your engaging in critical thinking awhile spoon feeding falsehoods to you, to the point that you would sincerely judge the accuracy of the show solely on your understanding derived from the show! You think yore well informed, but you don't even…

That's sure a big rude assumption (that if you think Stewart is accurate, you must not know anything about Glenn Beck.) I watch Beck every once in a while and I thought Stewart's portrayal of him nailed it. You should start citing specific things you take issue with.

Of course, i forgot that leftists are always informed about everything, perfectly objectively, and if you catch them in an error, they will simply lie.

Ok, you are all bigots, and you've been told to hate beck so there is no point in taking to you, you will just continue to tell lies.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by [deleted] »

elblanco wrote: post #51
panacea wrote: post #35

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Did you seriously just compare The Daily Show to Nazi Propaganda films? (And there's no way I accept that it's a socialist hate campaign... that's straight out of Glenn Beck rhetoric land).

Don't feed the troll. This guy is clearly stuck in 1950's McCarthy-land and thinks Godwin's law is a guidebook, not a admonishment of sloppy thinking. You'll only be debating your grandfather here.

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Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

krschultz wrote: post #50
lzw wrote: post #40

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Absolutely, and I say this as one who studied many semesters in college the films of Germany, Nazi, pre-Nazi and post Nazi. Of course you won't accept it as a socialist hate campaign. Do you think that Germans are genetically predisposed to fascism? Do you think they are weak or inferior to Americans in some way? How is it, do you suppose, that they let Nazis take power, and commit such massive crimes?

Why does socialism == hate campaign? What is the association between them? There is a huge difference between a Democrat/liberal person and a socialist, and a huge difference between socialists and facists, and all of them are short of being Nazis. Anyone standing on the right, painting everyone to their left as socialist Nazis trying to destroy America are completely out of touch.

Omg, do you know Nazi is short for? Nationalist socialists. It is a socialist party. Fascism differs from socialism only in the businesses being titularly in private hands, but they are completely controlled by the government in both.

I think it is quite sad to see so many people who are clearly ignorant about this history using their ignorance as a justification to call me names.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Post by lzw »

elblanco wrote: post #51
panacea wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you seriously just compare The Daily Show to Nazi Propaganda films? (And there's no way I accept that it's a socialist hate campaign... that's straight out of Glenn Beck rhetoric land).

Don't feed the troll. This guy is clearly stuck in 1950's McCarthy-land and thinks Godwin's law is a guidebook, not a admonishment of sloppy thinking. You'll only be debating your grandfather here.

Godwins law doesn't exist. If you bothered to know what You were talking a out you'd know Godwin never made any such law. It is an excuse for holocaust deniers to refuse to admit that the Nazi party was real and did exist and therefore the causes and situations relevant to their existence are worth considering.

Notice also, I did not make any comparison to hitler, i asked how he thought the German people let Nazis come to power and why.

Of course, that was a question that you don't answer, instead you engage in personal attack.

If you actually cared for debate, your only contribution wouldn't be ad hominem and lies.

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