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Regulation comes up later in the film. Ross Anderson, professor at Cambridge University recently wrote, https://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/3/225467-making-securi... "Once software becomes pervasive in devices that surround us, that are online, and that can kill us, the software industry will have to come of age. As security becomes ever more about safety rather than just privacy, we will have sharper policy debate…

The Ivory Tower has a way of phrasing concepts such that they are framed by finality and totality. The mentalility comes with having made it through the admissions process, and passing your final exams with a good grade point average, conferring some lofty degree of distinguishment into one's possession. So, to look at the words: The notion that software engineers are not responsible for things that go wrong will be…

That comment about admission to and completion of college leads to simplistic conclusions comes across as unfair. Pretty much every educated person went through such a sequence to get through college (others are educated without college, but they are tiny minority...). And plenty of us are able to understand the world has nuance.

ON your latter point, I agree that there needs to be a degree of responsibility to some software dev, but it's a complex area and I can't really organize 'blame'. What's the blame I should get for writing a better webserver that some dicator uses to serve up his orders and have people killed? Compare that to the firmware of a phone programmer, and the person who teaches a robot how to determine if someone is killed by a weapon. It's too easy to look to that last person and say without thinking that they are the bad one.

Re: Do You Trust This Computer? [video]

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Very strongly recommended. The interviewed subjects are largely experts in AI, and many are concerned. The film is likely a bit long to trigger much by way of discussion here, though that's not always bad. Word is that free play / download is this weekend only. Grab a copy via yt-download if you can't watch immediately.

That's weird, because I just got to the part in Pinker's Enlightenment Now where he says the large majority of experts in both artificial and human intelligence are not concerned. Who is misrepresenting the expert consensus? Or are they both misrepresenting the fact that there is a consensus?

Given that it's the experts themselves talking in Do You Trust This Computer, and Pinker describing experts in his own work, I'd give stronger credit to the former, more direct, evidence. That is: letting the experts express their views directly.

There remains the possibility that there is a difference between "the set of top experts in the field included in this documentary" and "a survey or statement from the larger share of practitioners within the field". This ... runs into a few additional problems.

Documentaries can (and with some frequency are) selective and nonrepresentational. That is, a documentary's goal is not to Reveal The Statistical Truth, but To Tell a Specific Story. Documentaries are driven by narrative, not random sampling and statistical analysis.

That said, stats can lie and crafted stories can be quite useful.

A large-scale sampling of opinion is also ... largely just that. A large-scale sampling of opinion. Even if that's expert opinion. It is not the same as arriving at a truth (unless the truth you're seeking to arrive at is "what is the typical or general opinion held on some matter by some population?").

The views and concerns of top practitioners within a field is often highly significant. It may still be inaccurate (or be inaccurately portrayed). But these are the people who've worked with a thing for a long time, who've seen what does and doesn't work, what is or isn't hyped. And you'll often find exceptionally strong critics of various fields or technologies.

Leading atomic scientists in the U.S. and USSR both came to oppose nuclear weapons: Robert J. Oppenheimer and Andrei Sakharov. The Father of the Nuclear Navy, USN Admiral Hyman Rickover, came to oppose nuclear power. There are numerous technologists who are now questioning the goal of universal connectivity (myself included, though my qualifications are expressly not available for or any basis for credence). And in the field of AI, there are numerous significant, long-term, and leading researchers who are raising profound questions of advisability and risk.

Or, you know, you could go with the Good Humour guy, Pinker.

Re: Do You Trust This Computer? [video]

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Regulation comes up later in the film. Ross Anderson, professor at Cambridge University recently wrote, https://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/3/225467-making-securi... "Once software becomes pervasive in devices that surround us, that are online, and that can kill us, the software industry will have to come of age. As security becomes ever more about safety rather than just privacy, we will have sharper policy debate…

Sure blame software engineers. I just do what my boss tells me to do. My boss is not a software engineer.

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