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Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by Razengan »

jack9 wrote: post #49
esturk wrote: post #46

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Look at the OP's profile. Manager at Pinterest. Theres no doubt the attack is disgenuous because said individual have skin in the game. I usually don't mind if they disclose it upfront. But to hide it and present an argument as neutral is dishonest.

What attack? The Adtech Ecosystem is incestuous, corrupt and penultimately complicated. jwegan is technically correct and savvy enough to understand one of many problems with this kind of fluff announcement. The least of these problems is a strawman reaction that anyone who dismissed it, is a bad actor. New SDKs are born every day. Apple CANNOT PRESENT a new technology that isn't a variant of what already survives in…

Still not seeing any reason as to why it’s bad for users.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by CaptSpify »

ovao wrote: post #47
gcb0 wrote: post #41

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from downvotes on this, gotta love the fanboys take on those issues. > > app steals user data > jusy deny gps access or never install it and then > > apple throws chinese reporters under the bus > they are just complying with local law. like they didn't have an option of not doing business there.

Technically speaking, they have the option. Practically speaking, they do not have an option.

I don't see why not. Plenty of other organizations work that way. Why can't Apple?

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by iamdave »

CaptSpify wrote: post #43
thecosas wrote: post #38

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All we can do is look at the information so far and it indicates they care about privacy: https://www.apple.com/privacy/ and more specifically https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-request...

Well, that isn't nearly all of the information. That is what they say , just like FB says they they don't abuse your privacy. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... They have already shown that they are willing to violate people's privacy. That is useful information.

So if you're not going to take it straight from the horses mouth, what then is your complaint and how can anyone ever hope to resolve it?

This isn't personal, I just find it increasingly odd when people in online discussions gripe about company not doing x, is then shown clear examples of x and coping back with "that's what they want you to believe" or when asking for an example, is given one and backpedal saying "that doesn't meet these new criteria that weren't up for discussion from the start"

It boggles my mind.

If you won't offer concessions when evidence comes straight from the source what evidence will you?

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by gowld »

iamdave wrote: post #25
CaptSpify wrote: post #22

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They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Telling the FBI to bugger off when they came and asked apple to crack their own encryption isn't enough of an example, exigent as it may very well be, whatever your personal opinions of due process are?

No? Facebook and Google also refuse to crack their own encryption, but are still privacy concerns.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by ghayes »

esturk wrote: post #46
marricks wrote: post #44

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I see why advertisers wouldn't like it, but how the heck isn't it good for users? You don't even have an explicit argument for that point, just the implicit "it might not be adopted." You're a bit disingenuous with your claim. As for your proposed system, it could work, but the advertiser might be able to deduce a bit as they track them through engagement. A black box seems like the best system for users, and if Appl…

Look at the OP's profile. Manager at Pinterest. Theres no doubt the attack is disgenuous because said individual have skin in the game. I usually don't mind if they disclose it upfront. But to hide it and present an argument as neutral is dishonest.

Please be less ad hominem and speak to the merits of the conversation. Does it matter if the OP has skin in the game if the merits of the argument have real value?

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by imron »

alexbeloi wrote: post #34
macintux wrote: post #13

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You have control over your data: you can choose whether GasBuddy has access to your location always, never, or only during use. This is one case where iOS widgets can impact your privacy: setting it to 'only during use' also qualifies the widget to refresh your location when it displays. It's not obvious to me whether any access of the widget screen is sufficient or whether you have to scroll past/to the GasBuddy wid…

>its CEO has strong personal reasons for valuing [privacy] I don't know what this is referring to, could you please share?

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/08/15...

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by Rjevski »

duskwuff wrote: post #33
Rjevski wrote: post #29

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So this is a non-issue. But technically, even if an app slips through the cracks and only allows "Always" and "While using the app" as options, you can force-quit the app without pressing either of the buttons on the modal and then deleting the app, thus not giving it any location information.

> ...even if an app slips through the cracks and only allows "Always" and "While using the app" as options... It can't. The permissions UI is rendered by the OS, not by the application. There's no way to hide the option to deny permissions.

Based on your previous reply I thought that the lack of apps that require location was due to Apple’s review process and not the fact that the “Never” button can’t be disabled.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by CaptSpify »

iamdave wrote: post #53
CaptSpify wrote: post #43

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Well, that isn't nearly all of the information. That is what they say , just like FB says they they don't abuse your privacy. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... They have already shown that they are willing to violate people's privacy. That is useful information.

So if you're not going to take it straight from the horses mouth, what then is your complaint and how can anyone ever hope to resolve it? This isn't personal, I just find it increasingly odd when people in online discussions gripe about company not doing x, is then shown clear examples of x and coping back with "that's what they want you to believe" or when asking for an example, is given one and backpedal saying "th…

And I find it insanely naive that anyone would believe what comes from the horses mouth, especially when they don't provide any evidence. Companies say things all the time that aren't true, and I find it silly to believe giant PR groups.

I'm not saying that they violate your privacy, I'm only saying that we don't know what they do with your data, thus we don't know if they protect your privacy or not.

My complaint is easily solvable: Allow me to set up and use a phone/laptop in such a way that they can't violate my privacy.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by CaptSpify »

joshuamorton wrote: post #45
CaptSpify wrote: post #42

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And? A privacy violation via legal means is still a privacy violation. I fully acknowledge that we don't know what Microsoft does with our data either.

Their specific question was if you had evidence of apple violating their own privacy policy. I'd agree that what they're doing is unethical, but it's not done secretly, and I'd expect that in China their privacy policy makes this clear. Do you have evidence of Apple violating their privacy policy?

Actually, you are correct, I apologize. I mis-read the question and no, I don't have any evidence of Apple violating their privacy policy. But that's not what I'm stating. I'm only stating that we don't know what they do with our data.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Post by CaptSpify »

briandear wrote: post #30
CaptSpify wrote: post #22

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They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Is there ANY evidence that they don’t do what their privacy policy says they do?

Since I can't edit my last reply, and I misread this originally: No, I don't have any evidence that they do. Nor am I saying that they violate their privacy policy. I'm simply saying that we don't know what they do with their user's data.
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