Today the WSJ has an article with the opposite headline:
Silicon Valley Rivals Take Shots at Facebook https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-rivals-take-shot...
As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum
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#52Today the WSJ has an article with the opposite headline: Silicon Valley Rivals Take Shots at Facebook https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-rivals-take-shot...
Also note there is fake news or a lame April fool's joke going around saying that Zuckerberg quit.
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#53The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers. This is going to be a much more difficult precipice to step back from than, say, the rampant piracy of things like Napster, and so on. We'll definitely have to push…
>Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers.
What do you mean "assume?" Obviously many people are interested in people who are exposed on social media. As a result there is massive opportunity to capitalize and profit. I'm not even just talking about the Kardashians of the world...Jane has 10 followers on instagram and Joe who is attracted to her wants to see what she's up to.
Parental controls aren't going to remove the human instinct to figure out where one stands in the social hierarchy. That's why the genie isn't going back into the bottle.
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#54The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers. This is going to be a much more difficult precipice to step back from than, say, the rampant piracy of things like Napster, and so on. We'll definitely have to push…
I disagree, sort of.
I can see your argument and I agree with most of it, but I don't think it's the main thing. Look at where this is becoming a functional call to action (arms?)... It's politics. Not addiction, narcissism, the TV-but-worse elements and their side effects, not data security, privacy.. politics.
FB & social media generally, have already yielded a handful of full blown revolutions. Certainly a few attempts, and most anything that works by way of public election.
Elon Musk quit FB, on twitter. You know who can't quit FB, politicians. It'd be ill-advised. This has by definition become a political question.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
>What makes you think most have a desire to raise their kids with future-proof values? History. >What makes you think that most have a desire to raise their kids? Statistics. > privileged assumptions I think you've got a bit of hatred for this subject. >Simpson/Huxtable thing is valid. Fiction is merely an analog for the truth; in this case, a very minor, small part of the reality of parenting. No, Homer is not a goo…
"history" "statistics" oh bravo you just said a pair of words. Here, I'll do the same thing: "History. Statistics." Now who's right? "hatred for this subject"? Sure. I know a lot of people who had shitty parents. I know a pair of brothers who committed suicide because their father molested them. Many of my friends hate their folks. My own are terrific, incidentally. When I say those are privileged assumptions, that's…
History: you only need to look beyond your own sphere to see that historically, yes, a majority of all parents, ever, have cared for their kids and wish for them to have a better future.
Statistics: if it were not so, we wouldn't have survived as a species, let alone been to the moon and been given the 'privilege' of iPhones, et al.
Privilege: oh look, you used a word.
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#56YOLO, people from IBM and Apple chiming in to preach about business decency. Now I've seen everything.
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#57Snapchat is definitely not staying mum this April Fool's https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/980341288753967109
It's disappointing how this kind of commentary, disparaging a whole nation/language instead of a government/chief of state, is seeping into mass media. Another recent example is the mock-Cyrillic in the Silicon Valley intro. It stops being about Putin , the Russian government , leading Russian politicians , Russian oligarchs or some identifiable group. It becomes "the Russians". (It's not a new phenomenon—remember Dr…
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#58Because they’re all doing the same stuff?
Yep. What this situation shows is that open data is faaaar faaaar worse represented than open source. There is not even a faint whisper of possibility, you know, not using proprietary platform and use the internet the way it was meant to be used.
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#59The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers. This is going to be a much more difficult precipice to step back from than, say, the rampant piracy of things like Napster, and so on. We'll definitely have to push…
When I was a child I snuck up in the middle of the night to watch aliens on mute with a blanket over the tv to hide the lights, even though my parents had forbidden it. When I was a teenager my parents had no control at all.
Controlling your children is probably a nice thought for scared parents, but not only doesn’t it work, there is a long scientific record of it being abusive and ruining children.
I think YouTube is a terrible rolemodel for our children too, but mostly for the zombies watching it, at least the kids that are selling out, are actually content producers who are doing something with their lives. Even if that something is retarded.
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#60The elephant in the room is not Facebook. Its the generations of people who have, over the last 10 years, grown up to assume that their personal lives are of interest to others, and wish therefore to capitalize/profit on exposing their life to strangers. This is going to be a much more difficult precipice to step back from than, say, the rampant piracy of things like Napster, and so on. We'll definitely have to push…
Putting the focus on parents is a distraction. Obviously it's the responsibility of parents to monitor and regulate their childrens' internet usage. But that doesn't take any of the responsibility off of the social media companies for their attacks on attention and privacy. Social media companies can't just prey on people and then say, "It's not our fault--their parents should have protected them from us!"
I don't think the OP is saying that - its more that the solution to the real problem starts in the home. The problem is described as self-absorption and addiction to social validation - a product of modern family life, perhaps?
Either way, as a parent I do believe I have a responsibility to raise my children to understand the need to balance the desire for social validation, with actual contribution to the social order. Facebook et al., don't appear to be too interested in promoting externalisation of these issues, and have demonstrated a strong willingness to do whatever they can to keep people - kids and adults alike - glued to their landing pages .. whereas if parents were raising kids to understand this trap, it wouldn't be so easy.
But, as it is, more often than not when met with the statement "I don't let my kids use Facebook", too many times other peers/parents respond with "well you're not letting your kids keep up with the times, you are damaging them by not letting them have free access to the things that 'everyone else has'" .. and here, I think, is the crux of the social dilemma. In this aspect, I agree with primitur that parenting is the solution.
Parents need to raise the next generation of humans to be wise to the ways of the wicked mind-control cults. Facebook just happens to be the contemporary version.