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Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

#51

Thunderbird is still the best crossplatform, multi account mail client around. Everybody migrated to webmail, but for those old grumps of us who still have multiple email accounts, and maybe even follow some newsgroups, tb is still the best player in town. Thanks tb team for your work! I love you all!

I've been using Mailspring for a couple of months now on Linux and it's been a very good experience. I think it's better than Thunderbird if you are more used to webmail clients.

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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I've been stuck 31.7 for years because it's the only version which honours font preferences in OS X. Theme and Font Size Changer was useless after version 41.1. Someone please tell they've fixed this nonsense.

I read that as "I've been stuck 31.7 years because it's the only ..." and did a triple-take on how old the software is and how long you've been using it. But no, Wikipedia lists it as "Initial release: July 28, 2003; 14 years ago".

Still very old to be in such widespread use, though. From where I worked to my grandma to my in-laws to the Linux poweruser that I am, a very widespread range of people use it. I am not 100% happy with it, but email is important enough that I want something stable (e.g. no bugs that either mess up my email server-side or stop it from working) and secure (both the connection and for viewing).

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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post #51

Thunderbird is still the best crossplatform, multi account mail client around. Everybody migrated to webmail, but for those old grumps of us who still have multiple email accounts, and maybe even follow some newsgroups, tb is still the best player in town. Thanks tb team for your work! I love you all!

I've been using Mailspring for a couple of months now on Linux and it's been a very good experience. I think it's better than Thunderbird if you are more used to webmail clients.

>if you are more used to webmail clients. If you want to use a "webmail" client, wouldn't it be more simple to just open the browser ? Instead of installing a separate copy of chrome to run some js deployed locally ?

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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Honest question - why? There are kids enlisting in the army now that were born after XP was released.

What matters is not when Windows XP was originally released, but when its official support ended, which according to Wikipedia was on April 2014. Both Firefox and Thunderbird supported Windows XP for a few more years after that (since Windows XP was and is still popular even after its official support ended); version 52 of both (which is an ESR release) is going to be the last one with support for Windows XP. The ope…

XP Embedded has security updates until 2019, https://www.pcworld.com/article/2310301/windows-xp-registry-...

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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post #35

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Honest question - why? There are kids enlisting in the army now that were born after XP was released.

What matters is not when Windows XP was originally released, but when its official support ended, which according to Wikipedia was on April 2014. Both Firefox and Thunderbird supported Windows XP for a few more years after that (since Windows XP was and is still popular even after its official support ended); version 52 of both (which is an ESR release) is going to be the last one with support for Windows XP. The ope…

> What matters is not when Windows XP was originally released, but when its official support ended

Well, or when a serious replacement arose (because XP was aging at that point). Vista was quite alright if you had a beefy computer, but for the majority I guess it took until 7, which would be July 2009.

Not saying you're wrong or that support should be dropped, I'm just not sure end of support is the best date to use.

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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I'm using the default mac client. Is thunderbird better?

I don't know the default OS X client so I can't go into detail, but I'd guess that one is better integrated with OS X. On the other hand, Thunderbird works cross-platform and allows you to choose any operating system without having to consider a new mail client, set it up and learn new ways. You could probably even copy over your data folder and resume working without any set-up (`scp -r ~/.thunderbird user@newpc:` would be the complete migration process, assuming it works between OSes).

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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> Everybody migrated to webmail That is so far from the truth it isn’t even funny. Outlook reigns in corporate and phones have native clients. Hell, i am still waiting for POP3 to die.

For some reason I equate Microsoft Outlook with corporate hellhole.

I find that's a pretty solid heuristic; if they're misinformed enough to base their business on top of Microsoft's crap, it's most probably not going anywhere I want to go.

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

#58

Thunderbird is still the best crossplatform, multi account mail client around. Everybody migrated to webmail, but for those old grumps of us who still have multiple email accounts, and maybe even follow some newsgroups, tb is still the best player in town. Thanks tb team for your work! I love you all!

A proper mail client also seems essential for taking part in mailing lists. I used to use gnus but got too frustrated at people sending me email in stupid HTML formats that I couldn't read. Thunderbird is the easiest thing to use that behaves like a proper mail client but also deals with the garbage from bad clients like Outhouse etc.

Yes about mail lists. It seems Research Software Engineers these days can't cope with periodic bursts of tens of messages a day on a list. Moving to Slack left behind sme long experience coping with hundreds a day for maintenance/support.

Anyhow, Gnus can render "html" articles; `mm-text-heml-renderer' defaults to the built-in `shr' in Emacs 24.

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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post #32

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Mutt is terrible for imap on a laptop, it hangs and loses changes when the connection dies. Or has this been fixed?

I don't know if it's been fixed, but I recommend pointing mutt at an offline copy of your mail instead of directly at an IMAP server. Use isync or another program to sync your mail.

This doesn't really work if you have multiple systems you want to access your mail from. There's no way to keep those systems in sync with each other, some folks fake it with dropbox-like services, but that's honestly not much different than just pulling over imap each time you open the mta...

Re: Thunderbird 52.7.0 released

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I've banished myself to mobile. I am trying out k9-mail and open keychain on Android. They are both available on f-droid and seem to work well. Open keychain is so much easier to deal with than what I remember of enigmail on the desktop.

OpenKeychain is currently the best way to manage PGP keys on any platform. I don't know why there's no good UI for the desktop, Enigmail is a distant second.

> OpenKeychain is currently the best way to manage PGP keys on any platform.

How is it the best on any platform? I thought it only existed on Android?

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