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'Striking weaknesses' in adult financial skills

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Re: 'Striking weaknesses' in adult financial skills

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Basic arithmetics is not the only deficient field in UK secondary school math curriculum. Higher tier domains like statistics, calculus, trigonometry, geometry, vectors, math analysis are deficient too.

STEM qualifications aren't considered very highly in the UK

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Some of the skills tested in the study seem more like arithmetics rather than financial skills: - "About a quarter could not work out how much change they should receive from a shop..." - "About one in three adults struggled to work out the price they had to pay.. per litre or per kilo" - "About half could not read a simple financial line graph" - "Most struggled to calculate discounts involving more complex calculat…

While your point is literally true, having basic arithmetic proficiency does go some way in making sense of the world. Quick mental calculations to see when you'll reach a certain place, ability to compare things when they're in different units etc. It's not only the skills but the overall mental model that they help create. The world starts to become a little more rational and sensible when you can do this.

Tell that to every maths teacher. "Show your work" was a nightmare.

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This reminds me of the myth of the "Latte Factor". http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_united_states_of_...

Yes the amount of smashed avacados you need to eat to be equivalent to a house deposit is more than the lethal dose.

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Basic arithmetics is not the only deficient field in UK secondary school math curriculum. Higher tier domains like statistics, calculus, trigonometry, geometry, vectors, math analysis are deficient too.

Is this from experience or general "I read that exams got easier" hearsay? I got good coverage of all the topics you discussed (however I'm not sure what "math analysis" refers to). I went through the Scottish system (ending around 2003) but I cannot imagine it was much different/worse in England, NI and Wales and I've no reason to believe they made things easier.

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It's an exaggeration more than a myth, IMO. It's directionally correct, meaning no re good would be done by people considering it than ignoring it.

What instead of the "Latte Factor", they said... - buy a house that is well below your means or even move some place where your cost of living compared to your money earning potential is favorable. -Get a degree in something that can make money instead of a BS in Ancient Chinese Art History. -Don't go into debt getting a degree from a prestigious college to be a high school teacher. Go to a cheap state school. -Buy a…

Majority of students go for practical or practically sounding degrees. And those who dont are clustered among students from more rich families. The "students are choosing impractical degrees" is just a way to ignore actual economy problems and blaming result on students.

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Especially when you consider that most supermarket labels will also include the "price per unit weight" or "price per unit volume" on the shelf with a smaller font, it becomes trivially easy to compare which bottle of soap is going to get you the most for your money. Or maybe you neglect to do this (simply opting for the container that looks the most appealing rather than optimizing for the amount of liquid per dolla…

You think someone who can't solve arithmetic problems is going to understand the consequences of compound interest and the TCO of revolving debt?

I have extreme issues doing any sort of math in my head and have been like this since birth - I failed a general level math course in high school. I can't add 2 two-digit numbers in my head at all, forget multiplication.

However, I understand compound interest and consumer debt very well - I pay my credit card in full every month, I save for retirement, I actively budget. I've also had a career in the computer and Internet business for 25 years. A calculator solves a lot of problems.

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Especially when you consider that most supermarket labels will also include the "price per unit weight" or "price per unit volume" on the shelf with a smaller font, it becomes trivially easy to compare which bottle of soap is going to get you the most for your money. Or maybe you neglect to do this (simply opting for the container that looks the most appealing rather than optimizing for the amount of liquid per dolla…

>...catastrophic consequences of spending $9 per month on dish soap when you could have spent $7.20 instead. Indeed, for the poor, it doesn't take too many of these $1.80 differences to add up to catastrophe.

I feel like a lot of people don't realize how much small changes can add up. For a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck, they would be broke regardless of whether they earned $1500/ month or $2000/ month, because their spending adjusts upward any chance they get. If you optimize your purchases on the margin, you can escape this trap much easier.

Re: 'Striking weaknesses' in adult financial skills

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That's hardly news, nor surprising given its done systematically on purpose. Imagine people would be aware of how they are being ripped off by the financial systems...that'd be bad. There is a reason why finance basics or general life skills are not taught in schools (no matter if US or EU). Sure you maybe learn how to calculate interest but that's probably about it.

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post #54
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Basic arithmetics is not the only deficient field in UK secondary school math curriculum. Higher tier domains like statistics, calculus, trigonometry, geometry, vectors, math analysis are deficient too.

Is this from experience or general "I read that exams got easier" hearsay? I got good coverage of all the topics you discussed (however I'm not sure what "math analysis" refers to). I went through the Scottish system (ending around 2003) but I cannot imagine it was much different/worse in England, NI and Wales and I've no reason to believe they made things easier.

I wanted to say that it is not only arithmetics that is bad, but the whole math field in general. Unlike in cases where a general knowledge of the field is there, but the person can't calculate 2+2 without a calculator.
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