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Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by pjc50 »

manjushri wrote: post #24
sunsunsunsun wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, how come the incidence of these types of shootings are so much lower in other parts of the world if there is no policy that will help prevent them?

Law is not the only variable and is not deterministic. Social environment and cultural values are of great influence. The US media glorifies violence and yet censors the reality of it. How many of those other countries with stricter gun control laws have been involved in as many violent conflicts across the globe as the US?

The UK has invaded everywhere and has a total ban on handguns after the school shooting incident.

(also, perhaps surprisingly to Americans, school trained me on guns at 14: http://atc.wikia.com/wiki/L98A2_Cadet_GP_Rifle )

Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by d0lph »

ng-user wrote: post #48
Tech-Noir wrote: post #47

Analysis of two decades in the UK, where in 1997 they banned video games and mental illness: 1996: 16 children and their teacher shot dead 1997-2018: 0 shot dead

How does a nation ban mental illness?

And I'm pretty sure the UK still has video games?

Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by frozenesper »

manjushri wrote: post #40
frozenesper wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's precisely because we have far more control over heart disease that we do not fear it. I can accept getting heart disease—maybe it was my fault?—much more readily that being actively, senselessly, killed by someone else. Terrorists know this too, which is why definitionally terrorism is meant to induce fear by way of its unpredictability. You wrote "security theater" to imply that we shouldn't attempt to address…

Logically, it seems more practical to worry about things you can control, than those that you can't. "There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power or our will." -Epictetus

I think you're underestimating yourself.

I can control my own actions, so my worry about heart disease can inform my dietary choices.

We can control gun violence by influencing culture or changing laws, so gun control is an appropriate subject of worry.

We cannot control the sun going supernova. We shouldn't worry about that.

Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by jcims »

rvo wrote: post #23
SonicSoul wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well what about the idea that other countries adjusted their laws after such incidents and it made a difference in crime statistics?

I hate guns and I want them banned in America. But, crime goes up after gun bans https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-... I am okay with that because it spreads the violence but each instance of violence is less deadly. So for the sake of no school schootings, I will accept increase in general violence. Let's repeal the 2A.

You'd have to collect the guns for it to be effective. There are over 300 million generally unregistered firearms in private possession today, that might get a little tricky.

Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by theluketaylor »

mieseratte wrote: post #37
DanBC wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/CoyoteToledo/status/966832602383552513 US: I'm on fire CANADA: jump in the water US: water won't work, i need more fire UK: we used water when we caught fire US: it won't work for us we like fire too much US: I'm burning AUSTRALIA: here is a video of water putting out fire US: *stuffs fire in pockets*

> CANADA: jump in the water Canada has a comparably high-rate of gun ownership and yet a substantially lower murder rate. I've seen plenty of pissing and moaning on firearm forums about their restrictions, more severe than the US', but one could reasonably carry out a massacre up there just as much as one can in the states. It's not the guns. It's us.

Our most right wing national newspaper did a look at many mass shootings in the US and how that same scenario would play out in Canada. The overall conclusion is that not all the shootings could have been prevented by Canadian firearms laws, but many would have been. Interesting read.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/would-canadian-gun-laws-...

Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by pjc50 »

jcims wrote: post #54
rvo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate guns and I want them banned in America. But, crime goes up after gun bans https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-... I am okay with that because it spreads the violence but each instance of violence is less deadly. So for the sake of no school schootings, I will accept increase in general violence. Let's repeal the 2A.

You'd have to collect the guns for it to be effective. There are over 300 million generally unregistered firearms in private possession today, that might get a little tricky.

Any sensible implementation would be a phasing-out rather than a single sharp transition. It's not going to be like Sweden changing which side of the road they drove on overnight.

Re: Schools are safer than they were in the 90s

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Post by [deleted] »

mieseratte wrote: post #27
Bernard_sha_256 wrote: post #4

Can someone say "Security Theater"? In cases like these I like to take the Freakonomics formula for risk, that outrage factors more into observed risk than actual danger. We're more worried about Terrorism than Heart Disease, even as we have far more control over the latter.

I like to ask my "ban the AR-15" friends how they feel about the TSA.

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