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Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by craigsmansion »

zkomp wrote: post #44
craigsmansion wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to mention how some of your best friends are immigrants.

An incompetent government and corrupt politicians can ruin anything. Including their own immigration policies by being dysfunctional and in the end boosting the anti-immigration forces on the other end of the political spectrum. Interesting times.

Last time I checked, Sweden was ran pretty well and corruption was low.

There seems to be a vocal contingent of disenfranchised young white males with a sense of entitlement. Most of them will grow out of it, and any sane political environment is flexible enough to accommodate them in the meantime.

Like so many things, the Internet makes it seem interesting, but I'm not sure there will actually be "interesting times" ahead in the classical Chinese sense.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

some_account wrote: post #2

Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I feel like society is becoming more and more like that. Laws like these are being passed and people are too numb to care.

Yeah. I see a society of uneducated people that want to elect the smartest folks they have to political power. I don't think we are going that route.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by craigsmansion »

staticelf wrote: post #48
craigsmansion wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to mention how some of your best friends are immigrants.

Thanks for proving my point and making me more sure that I am correct. You can't be critical of developments that are statistically backed without being downvoted and ridiculed by the politically correct people. If you really want to know, I am currently dating an immigrant but I do not have many friends that are immigrants.

There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem.

Fortunately I don't have to. Statistically, at some point you're going to find something that is important in your life, and you will find out that, "Hey, Sweden is actually a pretty neat place to live!"

The goal of the "politically correct people" in the meantime is to call out racist bullshit for what it is, and hope other angry young people don't get caught up in the narrative.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by belorn »

dx034 wrote: post #28
staticelf wrote: post #23

As a swede, I am unfortunately not surprised. While we have a surge in violent crimes mainly due to mass immigration this kind of shit gets pushed. When I was young, explosions and gang criminality were extremely rare and uncommon but today it is unfortunately being more common. I have several friends, including me, that has been the victim of either threats or violence in the recent years but the perpetrators always…

> When I was young, explosions and gang criminality were extremely rare and uncommon Are you sure about this? Crime has decreased significantly over the past decades in most countries. I also can't remember any crime from when I was young but my area was much more dangerous back then. But as a child, you don't notice subtle signs of crime and won't get beaten up because you try to prevent people from stealing a bike.…

The data is complex.

When it come to gang criminality, the biggest change was seen between 1990 and topping during 2010 (2015 was the immigration crisis). The government department for crime statistics (BRÅ) links the increase in blackmail and protection rackets to an increase in gang criminality, resulting in a report 2012 which describing a increase from 500 cases during 1990 to 2500 cases in 2010. [1]

BRÅ do not have data over explosives, but the raw data from the police gives 8 reported cases with hand grenades during 2014 and 52 for 2016. This is a large increase that did happen during the immigration crisis and is speculated to be connected, and the weapons themselves is tracked to Yugoslavia. [2]

For the anecdotal cases in the parent post, violence has both gone up and down in the last 10 years but it did go up between 2014 and 2016 by 28%, which is the highest point since 2007. There is a potential link here for immigration, but 2007 is not that long time ago so it could also be variation.[3]

Threats and harassment did also go up between 2014 and 2016 by 36% and is currently at the highest it ever been for the reported dataset. [4]

The clearing rate for sexual crimes has gone down and is at the lowest it ever been at 11% for rape, but this is a long lasting trend since 2009 where it was as high as 31%. The cause of this is a bit complicated since the number of charged criminals has remained the same and the number of reported cases has increased by almost 50%. There is no correlation to 2015 immigration crisis. [5]

[1] https://www.bra.se/download/18.1ff479c3135e8540b2980007523/1...

[2] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/halland/handgranatsattacke...

[3] https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-bro...

[4] https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-bro...

[5] https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-bro...

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by zkomp »

craigsmansion wrote: post #51
zkomp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An incompetent government and corrupt politicians can ruin anything. Including their own immigration policies by being dysfunctional and in the end boosting the anti-immigration forces on the other end of the political spectrum. Interesting times.

Last time I checked, Sweden was ran pretty well and corruption was low. There seems to be a vocal contingent of disenfranchised young white males with a sense of entitlement. Most of them will grow out of it, and any sane political environment is flexible enough to accommodate them in the meantime. Like so many things, the Internet makes it seem interesting, but I'm not sure there will actually be "interesting times"…

Sure its officially low, even though we just measured a new all time high in corruption. most of it will be hidden and institutionalized.

Imho these severe penalties on victimless crimes, based on foreign lobbying shows ... something, but it is not the will of the people, not independence, not justice, not really functional democracy.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by staticelf »

craigsmansion wrote: post #53
staticelf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for proving my point and making me more sure that I am correct. You can't be critical of developments that are statistically backed without being downvoted and ridiculed by the politically correct people. If you really want to know, I am currently dating an immigrant but I do not have many friends that are immigrants.

There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem. Fortunately I don't have to. Statistically, at some point you're going to find something that is important in your life, and you will find out that, "Hey, Sweden is actually a pretty neat place to live!" The goal of the "politically correct people" in the meantime is to c…

> There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem.

Isn't that very true for yourself as well? Even more true most likely since I rely on data and experience when I make my claims. Please point out what "racist bullshit" I have written for example. I know some of what I have written is anecdotes and of course not everyone will have been a victim of crimes but I still think it is interesting for non-Swedish people to read stories from people that actually have experienced crimes and the changes the society have undergone.

I have never once stated that Sweden is not a neat place to live, in fact, I very much like Sweden. But there is a big difference in liking a country and feeling secure, isn't it?

I have a lot of things I consider important in my life, but just because I do doesn't mean that I am blind to the changes I see in the society around me.

You haven't called out any racist bullshit, because what I have written is unfortunately not bullshit. It is very disrespectful of you to even claim that. In fact, you haven't called out anything except downvote and try to humiliate a person you don't agree with. You at least do a good job at that.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by vim_wannabe »

craigsmansion wrote: post #53
staticelf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for proving my point and making me more sure that I am correct. You can't be critical of developments that are statistically backed without being downvoted and ridiculed by the politically correct people. If you really want to know, I am currently dating an immigrant but I do not have many friends that are immigrants.

There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem. Fortunately I don't have to. Statistically, at some point you're going to find something that is important in your life, and you will find out that, "Hey, Sweden is actually a pretty neat place to live!" The goal of the "politically correct people" in the meantime is to c…

Ha, reminds me of another comment on HN. Someone pointed out statistics of recent crime rates somewhere in Sweden and another said something along the lines of "But that's still on the level of a typical American city."

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by staticelf »

vim_wannabe wrote: post #57
craigsmansion wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem. Fortunately I don't have to. Statistically, at some point you're going to find something that is important in your life, and you will find out that, "Hey, Sweden is actually a pretty neat place to live!" The goal of the "politically correct people" in the meantime is to c…

Ha, reminds me of another comment on HN. Someone pointed out statistics of recent crime rates somewhere in Sweden and another said something along the lines of "But that's still on the level of a typical American city."

Yes, like that is something positive. Sweden is becoming more and more like the US and that is something I do not like in most regards.

Re: Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter

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Post by Feniks »

Legogris wrote: post #40
blunte wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, that's interesting then. That suggests that the typical Swedish person feels that sharing copyrighted content is a heinous crime, on par with homicide. Do you think that's accurate? Why would the average person feel so strongly negative about this topic?

Swede chiming in here. No. The typical Swede feels that it's one of the less serious crimes there is. Under speeding, far under DUI, under possession of drugs for personal use, maybe on par with parking violation. We had quite a movement for digital freedom about a decade ago when the Pirate Party was on the rise and there was opposition against surveillance from FRA (Swedish equivalent of NSA), but the average perso…

I would imagine that Swedish politicians are also vulnerable from lobbying and US diplomatic pressure.
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