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Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

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Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#51

Good. These are some of the worst paying jobs in the country.. because they have used migrants to solve their labor problem, removing the need for them to compete for workers. They need to raise their wages, pay what it really costs for labor. And as a bonus, the increased costs will provide an incentive for future automation.

Local dairy farm is hiring at $14.50 an hour. Way better than you'll make at Walmart or Subway, a livable wage in the rustbelt.

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#52

Good. These are some of the worst paying jobs in the country.. because they have used migrants to solve their labor problem, removing the need for them to compete for workers. They need to raise their wages, pay what it really costs for labor. And as a bonus, the increased costs will provide an incentive for future automation.

welp, i hope you like paying more for food. and since all workers need food - for everything else too.

You're right. Let's stick to the current system of exploiting the poor.

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#53
post #24

Good. These are some of the worst paying jobs in the country.. because they have used migrants to solve their labor problem, removing the need for them to compete for workers. They need to raise their wages, pay what it really costs for labor. And as a bonus, the increased costs will provide an incentive for future automation.

I don't entirely disagree but I also suspect that many Americans would be shocked by the cost of food if workers were paid higher wages (especially if it was done for everyone who touches your food as it travels from the farm to the table) and that most farmers would prefer a phased approach to reform so that crops aren't rotting in the fields.

Would it be any higher than one normally pays at small organic farmers' stands?

Some of smaller organic farms don't hire external workers for labor. They are more expensive, but not that much more expensive.

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#54

Reminds of what happened in Alabama. Vice did a documentary on it. It was definitely eye opening. The only thing that scares me for this type of labor is the sheer amount of automation being done in farming.( They have these crazy lettuce cutting machines as well as sorting machines.) >Alabama’s Failed Anti-Immigration Law The state's experiment in "self-deportation" reveals what might happen if the US sent 11 millio…

> Vice did a documentary on it. It was definitely eye opening.

Come on. Vice documentaries are entertainment at best. I've enjoyed a couple of them myself but I would never use them to prop up my political arguments.

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#55

Good. These are some of the worst paying jobs in the country.. because they have used migrants to solve their labor problem, removing the need for them to compete for workers. They need to raise their wages, pay what it really costs for labor. And as a bonus, the increased costs will provide an incentive for future automation.

Exactly. If the Koreans and Japanese can farm their farms and feed their pops. despite tight labor markets, depop of rural areas and expensive labor, we can do it too.

In addition, higher prices might make us less wasteful. What is it, 30% of food ends up in the rubbish bin?

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#56
post #26
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The southern agricultural economy suffered greatly after slavery ended. I think America will adjust to this some how, without starving.

What kind of argument is this? Any policy that doesn't completely destroy America is good policy?

They're not slaves proper so it wouldn't be nearly as destructive. More like a healthy correction in the market.

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#58
post #24

Good. These are some of the worst paying jobs in the country.. because they have used migrants to solve their labor problem, removing the need for them to compete for workers. They need to raise their wages, pay what it really costs for labor. And as a bonus, the increased costs will provide an incentive for future automation.

I don't entirely disagree but I also suspect that many Americans would be shocked by the cost of food if workers were paid higher wages (especially if it was done for everyone who touches your food as it travels from the farm to the table) and that most farmers would prefer a phased approach to reform so that crops aren't rotting in the fields.

I doubt that. I once read it would add 2 cents to the cost of a box of cereal to pay farm workers better.

(It has probably been a few years, but the point stands: the cost of labor is a small portion of the cost of food.)

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#59

For what it's worth, migrant harvest workers have always followed the harvest, in North American moving from north to south in the fall as the frost line moves southward with the season. "Migrant worker" often implies "foreign national", but not necessarily. It's an inconvenient truth of the scaled up agriculture that produces food for us city folk. Many European countries have formal guest-worker programs. A big con…

As painful as the current political environment is, some of these informal patronage relationships may be upset by Trump's inability to be cool about anything except his own industry (real estate). He'll happily throw the farming industry under the bus if it means a tax break for real estate investors and a few political points for being tough on "illegals".

Re: Mexicans Afraid of Being in America Create Farm Worker Shortage – Crops Suffer

#60
post #55

Good. These are some of the worst paying jobs in the country.. because they have used migrants to solve their labor problem, removing the need for them to compete for workers. They need to raise their wages, pay what it really costs for labor. And as a bonus, the increased costs will provide an incentive for future automation.

Exactly. If the Koreans and Japanese can farm their farms and feed their pops. despite tight labor markets, depop of rural areas and expensive labor, we can do it too. In addition, higher prices might make us less wasteful. What is it, 30% of food ends up in the rubbish bin?

Worth pointing out that rapidly rising food prices are often drivers of civil unrest and inflation-combating monetary policy.

Slow rises are fine, the economy will adjust, fast rises, say from eliminating a large portion of the workforce at once, will cause much more disturbances in the economy.

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