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How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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I thought their business model was like a gym: hope that most people won't use it. (Source: I have MoviePass and I'm seeing less than 1 movie per month because I'm too busy :-D) Instead, this article claims it's: 1. Studio of movie $M pays MoviePass $X to market it to subscribers. 2. Subscribers see a movie they otherwise wouldn't pay for. MoviePass eats this cost ($Y). 3. Subscribers' word-of-mouth network effects b…

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Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen that kind of behaviour in the US (and that was 10 years ago already). I've never seen it in Europe however, I just thought that's the way Americans enjoy a movie in a theater (a way that really turns me off, actually).

Same here - and I've been to theatres in multiple EU countries. People definitely don't talk, absolutely don't talk on their phones(they would be kicked out if they did), and eating - meh, just the standard popcorn stuff. I've been to one theatre which also served proper food but you actually sat at a table not in a theatre seat, it felt more like a restaurant with the film playing in the background.

For me "the standard popcorn stuff" is already enough to ruin my experience. I'd gladly pay more to go to a cinema where eating or drinking anything is strictly prohibited (as it still is, for example, in my hometown's best cinema, which sells absolutely nothing apart from tickets and subscriptions).

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

#53
I wonder how much longer the theater experience will command such a high premium. Beyond a true IMAX experience, the theater doesn't seem to add much value for average movies.

One possible pivot for MoviePass would be to partner with Netflix, Amazon, HBO, or Hulu to run exclusive "members-only" premiers of their content in theaters. I could see some value in the community aspect of the theater for some of the more popular streaming shows.

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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http://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-moviepass-make-money...

> The same day it announced the $10-a-month plan, MoviePass raised cash by selling a majority stake to the data firm Helios and Matheson Analytics Inc.. With a new price-point designed to attract as many subscribers as possible, MoviePass is hoping to attract a large enough user base so as to be able to monetize it.

> “If you get a trailer right now for Spiderman on Facebook, Facebook can’t tell if you ever actually go to the movie. We can,” he told Wired. “We can tell if you look at 'Spider-Man' and look at 'Wonder Woman' and 'Mission: Impossible,' we can tell you exactly what movie you went to out of all three trailers.”

> Farnsworth envisions movie studios using MoviePass' valuable data to do targeted marketing for their films. Once MoviePass has millions of subscribers, its ability fill seats can make the difference between a hit movie or a flop, he explained. MoviePass plans to hold an IPO in March, he noted.

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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How do so many other companies like this make money? For example, HQ: the live trivia game show app that gives away a few thousand dollars multiple times per day. There's no ads, and no in app purchases. Besides burning through VC money like it's 1998, what's the business model?

No ads doesn't mean your data isn't being used for ads. It's likely being sold to orthogonal adtech businesses. i.e. the company collecting the data is rarely the one using it, it usually just sells it.

And how well does that work out? My experience with ad targeting is that it's mostly awful. Amazon can track every book I purchase through them, and the ads for books to buy on my Kindle are awful. Facebook has oodles of information about me, and if I turn off AdBlock for a moment there, the ads I see are... diabetes test strips (I do not have diabetes) and something involving Brook Shields that I bet is a total sham. The only online ads I see where data on me, and not just inventory, seems to play a major role is retargeting, where I look at something on Amazon and it's shown to me again in an ad in case I changed my mind about not buying it. The whole adtech industry is in awful shape, and the idea that MoviePass can be profitable by being such a periphery part of the adtech industry is laughable. People will just tell Facebook and Twitter what movies they've seen for free, there's no reason to subsidize movie tickets to get that data. This is a case of "let's spend VC money like water to get enough customers to get a huge valuation and then figure out a business model."

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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http://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-moviepass-make-money... > The same day it announced the $10-a-month plan, MoviePass raised cash by selling a majority stake to the data firm Helios and Matheson Analytics Inc.. With a new price-point designed to attract as many subscribers as possible, MoviePass is hoping to attract a large enough user base so as to be able to monetize it. > “If you get a trailer right now for…

> “If you get a trailer right now for Spiderman on Facebook, Facebook can’t tell if you ever actually go to the movie. We can,” he told Wired. “We can tell if you look at 'Spider-Man' and look at 'Wonder Woman' and 'Mission: Impossible,' we can tell you exactly what movie you went to out of all three trailers.”

Oh bull. So many people tag themselves in Facebook posts when they go to the movies. Facebook absolutely has enough data to determine this.

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

#57

> Helios and Matheson, an analytics company which has a majority stake in MoviePass This here is the juice: Big data. The more customers they have, the better - they have validated full names, birthdates, addresses and CC numbers (and most likely also ethnicity) linked with the data when they visited what movie and even if the customers repeatedly visited a movie. MoviePass has, effectively, four distinct customers:…

> vast amount of adtech/big data/consumer analytics companies for which this data is a goldmine

Don't credit card companies already have this data?

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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post #56

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-moviepass-make-money... > The same day it announced the $10-a-month plan, MoviePass raised cash by selling a majority stake to the data firm Helios and Matheson Analytics Inc.. With a new price-point designed to attract as many subscribers as possible, MoviePass is hoping to attract a large enough user base so as to be able to monetize it. > “If you get a trailer right now for…

> “If you get a trailer right now for Spiderman on Facebook, Facebook can’t tell if you ever actually go to the movie. We can,” he told Wired. “We can tell if you look at 'Spider-Man' and look at 'Wonder Woman' and 'Mission: Impossible,' we can tell you exactly what movie you went to out of all three trailers.” Oh bull. So many people tag themselves in Facebook posts when they go to the movies. Facebook absolutely ha…

Maybe for your friend group, but absolutely not mine (20-25). That market is huge for advertisers.

Thar said I can't imagine their losses ever being recouped in ads.

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on the theatre. I only go to a regular movie theatre when I'm back home seeing my parents. I enjoy the theatre experience where you get reclining seats and you get to reserve your seat beforehand. The next step is the dinner and movie experience where you get to both enjoy reserved seating and get food served while you're eating. Those theatres by necessity aren't as crowded and you have a much better expe…

That's weird — here, the more full-service a theater is, the more expensive it is. Some theaters have more extensive food selections and serve booze, and those are more expensive than normal theaters. Others actually have servers take your order and bring it to you in the theater, and those are more expensive still. I figured it was a sort of price discrimination — the people who want to eat expensive food while watc…

I'm not disagreeing with you. I've seen the price difference in other cities, but in Atlanta.

Studio Movie Grill.

https://www.studiomoviegrill.com/Ticketing/Tickets

Adult ticket $11.25

They are always offering $5 Groupon deals.

https://www.groupon.com/biz/alpharetta-ga/studio-movie-grill

Https://Cinebistro.com

Adult tickets $16.50

Random Regal Cinema in a non upscale part of town (South metro Atlanta) - $12.85

Re: How Does MoviePass Make Money?

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post #53

I wonder how much longer the theater experience will command such a high premium. Beyond a true IMAX experience, the theater doesn't seem to add much value for average movies. One possible pivot for MoviePass would be to partner with Netflix, Amazon, HBO, or Hulu to run exclusive "members-only" premiers of their content in theaters. I could see some value in the community aspect of the theater for some of the more po…

For me, a movie theater is subpar to my apartment. I would much rather watch new releases on a streaming site than shlep to a theater, fight the desire to waste money on bad snacks, and sell my viewing history to god knows who.
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