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Re: Buzz Kill

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Post by blasdel »

ugh wrote: post #36
duskwuff wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case in point: http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=losethos

That's just sad and immoral. Can somebody please tell that guy?

I used to have a huge axe to grind with pg over his use of hellbanning as the only metamoderation mechanism. I would track down [dead] users when I noticed them, but I mostly stopped after noticing that this guy was still posting.

This guy is the perfect use case for hellbanning. It would be a much bigger problem for him and for us if he was disrupted. A padded room is perfect for him.

I don't fret so much about hellbanning anymore, especially since pg's gotten much less capricious about it.

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Post by klbarry »

What shocks me: I can't imagine being surprised at a result after two years. Analytics, while having many flaws, tell me the impact of my companies social media projects pretty quickly.

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Post by bad_user »

pacemkr wrote: post #37

Twitter invented a problem and then solved. They just solved it in a way that made people feel self-important, hence the growth. I don't yet know what social media is. I just know that we're doing it all wrong.

> Twitter invented a problem and then solved

They haven't invented anything ... they just brought an existing paradigm to the Internet: and that would be SMS messages.

And don't know about the US, but SMS messages have been all the rage and are still really popular, with some anecdotal evidence of how similar they are ....

Retwitting (CHECK): I got the same jokes over SMS from multiple people.

Many-to-many communication medium (CHECK): Around every holiday, people are sending SMS messages with greetings to a whole list of people. It costs a lot more than on Twitter so it only happens around holidays.

List of connections (CHECK): it's called a phone-book, and phones have one incorporated.

Messages limited to 140 chars, encouraging retard-like talk (CHECK): of corZ, ritN crrct sentences S jst so lst yr

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Post by Tichy »

m0nty wrote: post #47
Tichy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way would it help to understand why?

Because you'd actually end up writing web apps with real value rather than just the next killer "social media app"?

What if Twitter actually has value even though you don't understand it?

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Post by megablast »

MC27 wrote: post #7

Not sure what to think about this post. I've heard Leo speak about the likes of Twitter being the "internet's nervous system." In reality, these social networks - although useful for certain activities, like networking - are mostly superficial and disposable. Perhaps, when you are surrounded by pundits and PR types, it becomes difficult seeing beyond the hype.

The fact is, we need systems like this. We need to know what the superficial people are talking about, in order to understand how people really think about the world, and what they are all talking about lately. It helps us get greater understanding of the world. Much easier to look at trends and graphs, than it is to actually listen to any of these people.

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Post by adbachman »

blasdel wrote: post #49
djacobs wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, the use of Twitter is: 1. I see X happening when I'm walking around (protesters, fireworks, concert, police barricades). 2. I search where I am in Tweetie. 3. I find out what's going on and, if I'm interested in it, might join. Twitter is all about discovery. Not communication.

But doesn't your 'discovery' use-case rely on a local herd of self-promoting new media douchebags using it to 'communicate'?

I don't consider the folks from my town (Baltimore) self-promoting new media douchebags. They're people about my age who I know socially doing what they would normally do but stopping to mention it every once in awhile.

I don't see it as "hey, hey, look at me!" but I have mellowed out a lot in the last few years, so it's probably just a difference of perspective. I'm optimistic with people I know and pessimistic with people I don't.

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Post by joezydeco »

Hagelin wrote: post #31
m0nty wrote: post #17

I've never understood the appeal of Twitter and I think it would help if more "social media people" (and web app developers) could try to understand why. They are obscure little techie tools that a huge percentage of the population will never use. When Leo says "I was shouting into a vast echo chamber" what he really should say is "I was shouting into a miniscule echo chamber". And nobody was really listening because…

Isn’t Facebook pretty much the same thing, though? I’d say it’s taken off with quite a few people?

And quite a few people, one generation from now, will look back and go "I wasted thousands of hours on that?"

What will we have to show for Facebook other than a bunch of divorces and bad memories from resurfaced high school acquaintances? I guess another guilt-ridden billionaire charity fund but not much more.

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Post by jamesjyu »

zacharyz wrote: post #38
olalonde wrote: post #30

In the comments: Why traditional blogging is a better medium than micro-blogging or social media - via Twitter Quite ironic.

This is the gist of the article for me, in particular because his tweet is the way I found the post. I think if anything it just goes to show that buzz is way more personal than twitter and most people unfollowed him on it because he was too spammy. My small circle of friends still routinely use it to share stuff that we find amusing/interesting.

+1 for finding the post via twitter.

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Post by zmmmmm »

Doesn't this say more about his observation skills and his style of interaction than anything about social media? He says himself that there was a big drop off in engagement over the last few weeks. The fact that he didn't notice that is hardly the fault of Twitter or Buzz.

Re: Buzz Kill

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Post by delackner »

muhfuhkuh wrote: post #32
m0nty wrote: post #17

I've never understood the appeal of Twitter and I think it would help if more "social media people" (and web app developers) could try to understand why. They are obscure little techie tools that a huge percentage of the population will never use. When Leo says "I was shouting into a vast echo chamber" what he really should say is "I was shouting into a miniscule echo chamber". And nobody was really listening because…

"what do I have that's worth actually broadcasting?" It's an ego-driven medium. All of it: YouTube (when actually done for its intended purpose and not flagrant copyright flouting); facebook/myspace, foursquare, getglue. It's all about what you're doing and more recently _where_ you are when you're doing it. It's about the inherent need for self-fulfillment. Let's say you have great taste in music. Just by someone no…

Certainly the ego-driven component you describe is there, but as with group events, there is a balanced version, and then there are the networking whores that don't understand the difference between having a natural connection with someone and "hi my name is X, here's my card, let's have lunch!"

You don't have to post navel-gazing facebook status updates. It is also a very elegant way to share family and friend group photos and plan events.

Do you even remember how hard it was to plan events with Evite? That was incredibly horrible, and yet people were thrilled because it was better than nothing.

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