9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead • Hacker News Board

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by crispyambulance » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:05 PM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #39

inanutshellus wrote: post #25

Sounds like #NoKids rather than #SpainBrain. I'm sure it sounds like I'm being pithy, but you fall into line when your kids get home at 4 and you want to spend time with them before they go to bed at 8. Maybe his point stands in some sense, but once you add kids into the mix it quickly becomes "9-5" again or "burning the candle at both ends."

There's also an argument that's been made that kids go to school too early in the day and school start time should be postponed to later in the morning, because they need more hours of sleep.

They need a solid 6-8 hours of sleep, like other humans.

I suspect the problem is that teens just stay awake FAR LONGER than is advisable perhaps to maximize their free unstructured time at night and to minimize the crushing grind of the mornings?

I expect that if the school start time was shifted to 9am, the kids would just stay up until 5AM instead of only 3AM.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by eindiran » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:06 PM UTC

shadowtree wrote: post #4

It's absolutely great. Unless you start having kids. Or work in an area where you need to meet customers face to face. Or both. Just like working from Bali, working from a van, working from a plane, etc. If you're a SINK or a DINK, go for it, 100%.

What do "SINK" and "DINK" mean?

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by rock8y » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:06 PM UTC

I come in at around 11 45 every day and work until 7 with couple of 15 minute breaks for ping pong. No loss in productivity and extremely satisfied with commute(DC metro). But I make sure, I check my emails and respond at around 930 am, if some one needs me.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by bproven » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

eindiran wrote: post #52

shadowtree wrote: post #4

It's absolutely great. Unless you start having kids. Or work in an area where you need to meet customers face to face. Or both. Just like working from Bali, working from a van, working from a plane, etc. If you're a SINK or a DINK, go for it, 100%.

What do "SINK" and "DINK" mean?

single income no kids; dual income no kids

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by adjagu » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

This all sounds good unless you work a "shift" style schedule. Every single person I know works what is considered first shift (approximately 6/7/8/9am to 2/3/4/5pm). Some of them have tried second and third shifts, but they always go back to first shift because "second/third shift don't work for me" they say.

Now for me I work better at night/early morning. Because of this I have worked third shift (midnight to 8am) for over 30 years and it works perfectly for me. If I want to be up while first shift is working I can. Or if I want to sleep during first shift and be awake for second shift I can do that too. It is nice to get off of work and do my errands and such without much traffic or that many people in stores. I get my errands done faster which gives me more free time.

Third shift has the advantage that most of the population is asleep when I am working. So when I drive into work at night the roads are mostly empty and when I leave work in the morning the morning rush traffic is moving in the opposite direction that I am.

Another advantage of third shift is I only spend 20 minutes driving to work and 20 minutes driving home from work each day. All the first shift people I know spend at least double that in traffic each day because dang near everyone works first shift.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by krylon » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

ubertaco wrote: post #6

This is predicated on the idea that you're only really productive in the afternoon, and that the morning is just wasted time. I'm most productive in the mornings, and my productivity only takes a dive in the afternoon because that's when all my meetings are. Turns out, anecdotes about an individual's workflow aren't broadly generalizable!

Maybe the lesson here is not that working 13:00-18:00 is best for everybody, but that different people have different "peak hours", and forcing everyone to work a 9-5 40-hour week might not be such a good idea after all.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by ubertaco » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:09 PM UTC

davehtaylor wrote: post #14

ubertaco wrote: post #6

This is predicated on the idea that you're only really productive in the afternoon, and that the morning is just wasted time. I'm most productive in the mornings, and my productivity only takes a dive in the afternoon because that's when all my meetings are. Turns out, anecdotes about an individual's workflow aren't broadly generalizable!

I agree that the ideas aren't necessarily generalizable, but what if we shifted to an idea that people's individual schedules reflect when they specifically are most productive. Someone else who replied said they were most productive in the morning. Great! Let them have and earlier start time. For me, I'm completely useless in the morning. Sure, I can be in the office at 8:00am, but you're not getting any meaningful…

Shifting a schedule is one thing (in fact, I work on a shifted schedule on days I commute; from 6:45am or 7am to 3pm, due to bad local traffic); cutting your workday effectively in half is another. This article is touting "forget your 8-hour/9-hour job, just work a 5-hour day instead!"

That'd be nice from a free-time perspective, but it doesn't line up with business needs.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by core-questions » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

logfromblammo wrote: post #44

davehtaylor wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because people think "morning person" is the default, and correct, way of being. And that not being a morning person makes you odd or lazy. So when someone comes in challenging late-friendly scheduling, they're assumed to be the correct one, and that the workplace has somehow been in error by allowing later schedules.

It's the Ben Franklin Poor Richard's Almanac thing: "Early to bed, and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise." He was also the buttmunch that gave us daylight savings time.

I used to be really against DST, but honestly, it's the only thing that actually lets me see the damn sun at all in the winter, so now I'm a fan.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by lightbyte » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:12 PM UTC

kawfey wrote: post #46

a1exyz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

go outside during lunch mang.

But it's 14 degrees out there.

If it's too cold for you to go outside surely you can't complain about having to be inside at work. OP's comment was about not being able to get outside during daylight hours.

Re: 9-5 Is Out. Try the 1-6 Instead

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Post by lightbyte » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:14 PM UTC

blakesterz wrote: post #43

Apocryphon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also an argument that's been made that kids go to school too early in the day and school start time should be postponed to later in the morning, because they need more hours of sleep.

How is that even an argument? Does someone really argue that getting them up early is good for them? Especially for high school kids (maybe 14-18 ish?). No one could possibly think that sending them to a school that starts at 7am is any way good for them. In our distract the high school starts at 7am and the small kids start at 9am. This makes no sense to me at all. (I'm not a kid complaining, I'm a parent)

>In our distract the high school starts at 7am and the small kids start at 9am. This makes no sense to me at all. (I'm not a kid complaining, I'm a parent)

I was always under the impression this staggered start rate among school tiers was because they all share the same buses. If they all started at the same time they would need ~3x as many buses and bus drivers.