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Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

How do you suggest the artist calculate the pricing instead?

I now kinda want a plotter art drawing of the invisible hand of the market creating a/b testing prices for itself. The HN way!

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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This actually makes me think of a project I'm currently neck-deep in working on... Taking captured audio hardware register writes (in the form of a VGM file) and having a modern microcontroller actually replay them on an actual NES CPU. In other words... A hardware-based NES game music player. (Of course I'm not actually visualizing much, yet.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97jic_WRrwY https://www.youtube.com/watch…

These are all variants of NSF players. When looking for them, my requirement was that they generate audio with an actual NES CPU.

This one I think is especially cool. Instructions to build a cartridge to run on an unmodified NES: https://web.archive.org/web/20170319202533/www.nullsleep.com...

And these two both use an NES (or Famiclone) CPU, along with some other hardware:

http://kevtris.org/Projects/hardnes/

http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=5957&view=next

NSF is a cool format, itself. It's basically a specialized ROM format for encoding game music and sound effects for playback, usually in an emulator. And since it relies on actual CPU code rather than recorded register writes, it can include loops and such programmatically.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me! I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it! https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825 I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away. A lot…

Cool, you wrote your own NES emulator for this? This is off-topic, but I've been meaning to write an emulator for ARM Cortex-M platforms as an introduction to the idea, but haven't had much luck finding good beginner-friendly resources. So...thanks for writing up and collating so much information about the NES in one place!

Nah, I had already written the emulator a couple years ago.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me! I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it! https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825 I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away. A lot…

Author of that PlosCB paper here, I love these plots! This is such great work, and I've been telling everyone I know to check it out.

That's awesome!

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me! I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it! https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825 I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away. A lot…

These are so cool! I think you may have inspired me to buy a pen plotter! I also read your Medium article about programming for the plotter. Great stuff, thank you for sharing the knowledge and for making such a cool project!

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's art. The marginal cost of producing each print includes the price of keeping the artist alive and inspired. Also, you should probably expect to pay more for the five seconds where Jumpman actually rescues Pauline.

I'm sorry but I do not consider experiences pursued to create art to have any intrinsic value for the final piece. Cool, he has an instrumented emulator, but really, does playing a retro game for five seconds have ANY intrinsic value beyond worthless nostalgia? In art all that matters is creation and output. A piece of art should not have to come with an explanation or hidden information in order to justify its worth…

This idea of intrinsic artistic value has been already turned over and ripped apart, over 100 years ago - Marcel Duchamp, Dadaism et al. There are people for whom nostalgia is extremely valuable.

If it has no value to you, fine. You are free to critique, but calling someone else's work a 'fucking joke' is not exactly highbrow commentary. On the other hand, I'm sure as a real artist the author won't mind your comments at all.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As numbered edition artworks that would be considered very low end. The price is a reflection of both intrinsic and extrinsic value as perceived in the fine art world. Intrinsic meaning the investment of individualized effort, which include what we might call "set up costs," and extrinsic meaning: can this artist command some multiplier based on their name? $200 suggests a modest return on modest sales by an "unknown…

As a lifetime student of art I consider the art world and its notions of 'intrinsic value' to be bunk. As I said before he is free to price his art at whatever rate he wants, and I am free to object to whatever price I want.

I'm sure everyone here can agree with your statement, yet you're being downvoted to oblivion. Consider that.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me! I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it! https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825 I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away. A lot…

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Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's art. The marginal cost of producing each print includes the price of keeping the artist alive and inspired. Also, you should probably expect to pay more for the five seconds where Jumpman actually rescues Pauline.

I'm sorry but I do not consider experiences pursued to create art to have any intrinsic value for the final piece. Cool, he has an instrumented emulator, but really, does playing a retro game for five seconds have ANY intrinsic value beyond worthless nostalgia? In art all that matters is creation and output. A piece of art should not have to come with an explanation or hidden information in order to justify its worth…

You are not expected to pay anything at all.
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