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Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#51
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you blacklist the mechanism by which tens of percentage points worth of Internet users send mail, you are not part of the solution to spam.

As of June 2009, the latest stat I found, Gmail has 5.51% share of email users, 1/3 of either hotmail or yahoo mail. Definitely not "tens of percentage points." http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/post/2839/email-client-p...

That percent of people accessing gmail through the web, not of people using it to send email.

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#52
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Vixie has proposed an extension to the DNS that would have relay cache servers (the servers you ask for generic name lookups) store blacklists of evil domains. Anything blacklisted would, in effect, disappear from the Internet (for normal users).

Out of curiosity, what would a `smart person' have to do to get all the domains back if this ever took root?

use an alternative DNS that doesn't blacklist. Alternative DNS servers already exist, I'm sure there'll be someone who won't blacklist if they do implement this.

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#53
post #28
post #14

Spamhaus is the most rabid group of extreme anti-spammer teenagers out there (or at least they act like teenagers). I've had various SMTP servers (for various companies) blocked by them, usually for very questionable reasons. You used to have to argue with them on their forum (and take a beating from all of the kids on that site) before they'd remove you. The result is that SMTP admins get it from both sides: Spammer…

Google are no better. I can't send email to gmail addresses -- well sometimes I can and sometimes I can't -- because Google (sometimes) says of my server: Our system has detected an unusual rate of 550-5.7.1 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 550-5.7.1 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been blocked. This is complete bullshit. We have SPFs in DNS. We don't relay, and ha…

I doubt that Google is tasting this at all. Probably only the unlucky companies who use Spamhaus and now have the unenviable task of going through and making sure they missed no emails from customers or partners.

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#54
post #4

I work at Yahoo! and we've been blacklisted as well by Spamhaus. I wouldn't say it's entirely inappropriate because of the sheer volume of email that can pass through our (or in this case Gmail's) system. Personally, I've tried to reach out to Google regarding security issues on blogspot which were affecting our property. There was an XSS vulnerability and we were getting thousands of posts on our blog linking to blo…

I know this isn't the right place for a Yahoo! bug report, but they don't reply to me elsewhere.

I keep getting spam from Yahoo! in the form of people signing me up for some group, just today someone signed me up for the "vjth group" with the group description "iqdjgpwo62r683fs".

There's a link in the E-Mail saying "You may also change your email preferences to prevent group owners from adding you to their groups.". But when I follow it and change my E-Mail preferences I get:

    Groups error

    We're Sorry...
    There was a problem with your request.
    The page you've requested returned this error:

    If you continue to receive this error for more than
    48 hours, please contact our Customer Care team. We
    apologize for this inconvenience. 
I've been getting this error for the last 6 months or so. Stop spamming me Yahoo!.

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#55

Yeah, this is why I don't use Spamhaus blacklists.

Because of the existence of false positives? Please let me know of a spam filtering system which doesn't have them. Really. I'd like to add it to my filtering setup...

My Bayesian filters have much less of an agenda than Spamhaus.

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#56
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn't happen to be in the business of providing paid email accounts, would you?

No, he's just a troll. Expect him to delete his postings in a couple of minutes, he pulled that trick the other day.

The posts were deleted (in bad faith, it seems), but they seem to have been undeleted. Thanks admin!

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#57
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he's just a troll. Expect him to delete his postings in a couple of minutes, he pulled that trick the other day.

The posts were deleted (in bad faith, it seems), but they seem to have been undeleted. Thanks admin!

Good warning to others pulling that stunt.

tx pg

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the existence of false positives? Please let me know of a spam filtering system which doesn't have them. Really. I'd like to add it to my filtering setup...

My Bayesian filters have much less of an agenda than Spamhaus.

That doesn't really answer my question. Bayes causes false positives too... Yet is more difficult to maintain...

Re: Gmail blacklisted by Spamhaus

#59
post #28
post #14

Spamhaus is the most rabid group of extreme anti-spammer teenagers out there (or at least they act like teenagers). I've had various SMTP servers (for various companies) blocked by them, usually for very questionable reasons. You used to have to argue with them on their forum (and take a beating from all of the kids on that site) before they'd remove you. The result is that SMTP admins get it from both sides: Spammer…

Google are no better. I can't send email to gmail addresses -- well sometimes I can and sometimes I can't -- because Google (sometimes) says of my server: Our system has detected an unusual rate of 550-5.7.1 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 550-5.7.1 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been blocked. This is complete bullshit. We have SPFs in DNS. We don't relay, and ha…

maybe you're on the same subnet as someone who actually spams them.
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