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Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a related note TWiT!=Twitter, just like app!=Apple. Where is the legal case here?

The legal case is that Ev, the CEO of Twitter at the time, confirmed the existence of an oral contract that precludes the two companies from crossing domains. Breach of contract.

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of consideration for it to be a valid contract?

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#52
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure. William stepped down from CEO and is only a board member. Unless I am wrong, since there is no formal contract ever signed, then this implicit, informal contract/agreement may be null after William’s resignation. Consider the following scenarios: 1. Suppose there was a board meeting in which William had voted No on the expansion, since thr majority ruled in favor of the expansion, could plantiff now argue t…

You may be right on these specifics (and I'm sure Twitter's lawyers will spend hundreds of hours searching through all the possible permutations), but on the other hand, as long as someone is acting in the capacity of a corporate officer with duly appointed authority, and makes an agreement in that capacity, then the agreement binds the corporate entities . Whether that officer then informed other members of the comp…

Except an agreement isn't really the same thing as a contract. For a contract to be legal, there has to be "consideration". I'm not sure if anything qualifies as consideration in this case.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They actually do, yes. Source: Listened to many Leo Laporte podcasts over the years, but stopped a couple of years ago, due to the noise/ads to content ratio.

I used to listen to TWiT but signed up for Audible based on their recommendation of the service and I stopped listening to podcasts and listen to audiobooks!

It's like saying: I stopped reading newspaper, and read novels only now!

Even though they share the same channel (text, audio, etc.), those are not replaceable things. Or at least that's my opinion.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#54
post #2

Just curious, if he loses this, in what range would the monetary costs that he'd have to shoulder lie?

Most likely nothing more than his own legal costs. The suit would have to be considered frivolous to get anything and the publicly available data already shows that Laporte has plenty to go on.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#55
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that somewhat haphazardly, Ev created an oral agreement and then confirmed the existence of the agreement in an email stating that Twitter wouldn’t violate it. There’s now a paper trail saying that Twitter wouldn’t do this, and that basically confirms that at minimum a breach of contract has occurred. Patent trolls wait forever to take action on patent use only after a company gains susbstantial pro…

For the contract to be valid, there needs to be "cause" for confusing TWiT with Twitter. Most people would agree that there's no cause here, voiding the "contact"

> there needs to be "cause" for confusing TWiT with Twitter. Most people would agree that there's no cause here, voiding the "contact"

Meanwhile, Leo Laporte has had people asking him for almost a decade if TWiT is related to Twitter. The marketplace gets confused more easily than you believe. And a founder will get inundated with this confusion when it is about a company as well known as Twitter.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#56
post #47

I find it quit nonsense. And moreover, why don't they sue twitch then too in the first place?

I upvoted because Twitch is a really interesting case. The Levenshtein distance between the trademarks is closer, and Twitch is pretty much entirely focused on video, which makes it encroaching on TWiT's domain of business.

The CEO of twitch presumably didn't have a conversation with Laporte and promise to never get into the video business.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#57
post #8

Leo laporte is not a cool guy.

Care to elaborate? I never got too into his shows, but he never seemed particularly uncool to me.

I was a fan of Leo from back in the zdtv days but over the last year I've had enough of him and don't watch anything he does any more. Reasons include his constant use of "funny" indian and russian accents, constant on air sexual "jokes" to and about female guests (he once admitted on air that Kate Botello filed a complaint with HR about him back in the techtv days and Shannon Morse and Sarah Lane have both made a #metoo post which many believe to refer at least in part to Leo), and other things like his inability to be on time for his own shows (he has even been late for his radio show more than once), total lack of preparation for shows, spending tens of thousands on vacations while complaining about how expensive it is to pay his employees, and turning on former cohosts like Tom Merritt, Brian Brushwood, and Justin Young.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#58

How is this any different from patent trolling? Nobody confuses TWiT for Twitter, or vice versa. I don't think TWiT should be in a position to make money off Twitter's entry into video, just like some random patent troll shouldn't be able to monetize ludicrous patents

I am not so sure. I have see Leo claim that people have asked if twit was related to twitter and searching for twit on twitter shows people referring to twitter as "twit." https://twitter.com/search?q=twit&src=typd

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#59

How is this any different from patent trolling? Nobody confuses TWiT for Twitter, or vice versa. I don't think TWiT should be in a position to make money off Twitter's entry into video, just like some random patent troll shouldn't be able to monetize ludicrous patents

A trademark is more precarious than a patent. If you don't defend the trademark in a timely manner, the infringer can make a laches defense. Unchecked infringement - however minor - can also cumulatively damage the distinctiveness of the trademark, making it more difficult to defend against future infringement.

Re: TWiT is suing Twitter, alleging breach of contract and copyright infringement

#60
For reference, this is the "contract" which TWiT are arguing. It's a reply from Ev, to an e-mail from Leo. The full contents are at the bottom of the filing[1].

>Just got your letter. Don't worry: We're not expanding to audio or video under the Twitter brand. That news story was the result of an over-zealous production company (and extremely sloppy reporting by AP). See our post: http://blog.twitter.com/2009/05/were-not-making-tv-show.html

There's a world of difference between "we are not" vs. "we will not". I am not eating a sandwich right now, but I will most definitely at some point in the future. One would have to be a fool to interpret this as an agreement to never expand into audio/video in all of perpetuity. Furthermore, Twitter's own trademark filing (since 2007) lists "video and audio" as part of the goods and services provided by their brand. Perhaps this argument should have been made in 2007, or when it was published for opposition (which is basically the USPTO's way of saying 'hey, if you are concerned about this trademark infringing your rights... speak up!') in Feb of 2008 (however no such filing was placed according to TTAB's records), not 2018.

[1] https://www.scribd.com/document/369311229/TWiT-vs-Twitter

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