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Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by Scoundreller »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #46
mc32 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>) For niche channels, like my own, it can be easy to have the views but difficult to have the subscribers. These two should not be tied together for purposes of monetization. I completely agree. I've saved hundreds of dollars [and time] on car maintenance/repairs and plumbing by watching some guy or gal on youtube with very specific information (for a given make/model/year) for example. I hope these kinds of instruc…

Sure, but why does youtube need to care? From their perspective, those videos probably aren't helping their bottom line. It might be better if they weren't uploaded in the first place: Less disk space used, no need to index them, etc. (I echo your agreement, for what it's worth.)

They're profitable videos to advertisers. You always end up buying a part or tool (or new car? Muffler fix video --> Check out the new Tesla).

Often paying a premium to get the part tomorrow.

The manual review shouldn't take more than 7 seconds.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by mc32 »

Nition wrote: post #43
mc32 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>) For niche channels, like my own, it can be easy to have the views but difficult to have the subscribers. These two should not be tied together for purposes of monetization. I completely agree. I've saved hundreds of dollars [and time] on car maintenance/repairs and plumbing by watching some guy or gal on youtube with very specific information (for a given make/model/year) for example. I hope these kinds of instruc…

Honestly I think people will keep making those sorts of videos anyway. We never get paid anything for posting on Stack Overflow or Hacker News yet here we are. And YouTube had lots of good videos before it had monetisation.

Perhaps. I think there are people in places [even in the US] where money goes further for whom a dozen dollars here, a dozen dollars there from different uploads made it worthwhile for them. I hope you are right, but I fear we might lose some great contributors.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by dragonwriter »

dvt wrote: post #44
dragonwriter wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But really, what can you do that's better than YouTube? For any specialized market, probably a lot; YouTube may be the ultimate least-common-denominator user-submitted-video streaming service, but it's not the only one there is room for.

> For any specialized market, probably a lot This is doubly true for services like Google Search, and yet (for example) security-oriented engines like DDG are barely making a dent. I honestly don't think niche is the way to go if you're trying to go after Google/YouTube/Facebook. You'd need to figure out a core issue or core need that has been overlooked. And I just don't really see one.

> This is doubly true for services like Google Search, and yet (for example) security-oriented engines like DDG are barely making a dent.

DDG is making a huge dent in the narrow segment it is designed to appeal to, which is all any specialized service can hope for. I think DDG fans persistently overestimate how many people find Google’s personalization a net cost.

> I honestly don't think niche is the way to go if you're trying to go after Google/YouTube/Facebook. You'd need to figure out a core issue or core need that has been overlooked.

Sure, if you are trying to replace one of those as the dominant mass market player in its domain you need to do that.

Also, I think you are more likely to find a core need by dealing with a need that seems niche but is really just more pronounced and visible in that particular niche than by digging around in the dark for a core need.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by cloudwalking »

mc32 wrote: post #32
jeffmould wrote: post #13

As one of the people whose channel is affected by this policy change, I have to say I am not happy. There are a few issues I have with their new policy: 1) They should not have made this change retroactive to channels. If you already met the criteria you should be grandfathered into the new program. To terminate monetization entirely gives me no incentive to continue with YouTube. 2) For niche channels, like my own,…

>) For niche channels, like my own, it can be easy to have the views but difficult to have the subscribers. These two should not be tied together for purposes of monetization. I completely agree. I've saved hundreds of dollars [and time] on car maintenance/repairs and plumbing by watching some guy or gal on youtube with very specific information (for a given make/model/year) for example. I hope these kinds of instruc…

99% of the affected channels make less than $100 per year. I don't think most of these types of videos are made with a plan to make money. I think people like making videos explaining things they understand.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by SyneRyder »

jakebasile wrote: post #17
joelrunyon wrote: post #11

When is there going to be a legitimate YouTube contender? Seems like it's ripe for a replacement...

The closest I can think of is Vimeo, but they've concentrated more on highly edited, niche, even arthouse style video. I don't know much about their technical equivalence with respect to performance because I don't find any videos on there I'd like to watch. Twitch has been attempting to compete in the video game space by adding uploads and comment systems on videos, but Twitch has its share of problems such as a hap…

Vimeo also has a lot of conference talk videos from software & maker conferences. I run a monthly email newsletter that includes a "conference video of the month", and my main source is a few Vimeo conference channels I've subscribed to.

But Vimeo's Samsung Smart TV app broke last year, and they haven't fixed it in months. They blame Samsung, and they're probably right, but Netflix, YouTube & Amazon have continued updating their apps during those months. It just feels like Vimeo isn't giving their product the attention that it needs.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by dvt »

dragonwriter wrote: post #54
dvt wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For any specialized market, probably a lot This is doubly true for services like Google Search, and yet (for example) security-oriented engines like DDG are barely making a dent. I honestly don't think niche is the way to go if you're trying to go after Google/YouTube/Facebook. You'd need to figure out a core issue or core need that has been overlooked. And I just don't really see one.

> This is doubly true for services like Google Search, and yet (for example) security-oriented engines like DDG are barely making a dent. DDG is making a huge dent in the narrow segment it is designed to appeal to , which is all any specialized service can hope for. I think DDG fans persistently overestimate how many people find Google’s personalization a net cost. > I honestly don't think niche is the way to go if y…

> Sure, if you are trying to replace one of those as the dominant mass market player in its domain you need to do that.

The parent post was discussing disrupting the major player -- YouTube. Me making some tiny website that caters to videos of, say, amateur astronomy, while interesting and successful in its own right, would not so much as make a dent (let alone disrupt) YouTube.

That was my point: that disrupting YouTube (like disrupting Google) seems, to me, nigh impossible.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by QAPereo »

Nition wrote: post #14

Everyone's talking about how this is bad for small channels, but surely this is a big hit to YouTube itself as well. Since they've decided they need to vet all channels before ads are shown, and they can't do that to every channel, they've had to set an arbitrary view/subscriber limit. But now they're going to lose out on ad revenue for millions of previously-monetised videos, while still having to host them for free…

Not to mention that they just threw the door open wide for another company to, as many here love to put it, “disrupt” the online video hosting space.

Thank god for that.

Re: Changes to the YouTube Partner Program

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Post by Scoundreller »

intended wrote: post #41
Scoundreller wrote: post #7

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No idea. I just met their new criteria for 10000 views before monetization, which should mean I've already been vetted? Does a company like Google really need human review on videos? With 10k views, their AI/ML should detect what's risky content or not based on what they know about users. Here's a great video that we'll see less of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDB2QVEuy60 A well-produced 36 second video on replac…

Again that level of AI/ML means being able to state what the intent of a comment or document is. If we ever get close to that point, that programs can reliably mark something as "risky" content, human thought is in big trouble. "Risky" material is subjective. Something even humans can't make out reliably very often. I think, this is the result of the tech firms putting content creators of old out of business, but not…

It doesn't need to be perfect, just reliable enough to determine what needs more thorough review.

A 2 minute video titled "How to fix your computer's _______", that is linked from fixit forums, that is universally liked with comments stating "Wow, that worked, thanks!" shouldn't even need human review to determine risk.

The comparison alone to other videos with similar characteristics should do it.

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