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Going gray for smartphone addiction

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Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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Ingrained associations don't die easily. I remember when I first quit facebook. I still had the habit of quickly pressing "F, enter " for months after I quit. After a couple years though, I hardly ever go through that old routine. Check out Nicky Case's game about neuroplasticity: http://ncase.me/neurons/ Just now I enabled grayscale via the Android developer menu. I noticed an immediate reduction in intensity. It di…

Everyone loves placebo, but after browsing for half hour in grayscale and turning back color there is some kind of wow effect.

It's not the full solution but it's definitely part of it. Colour on my phone overwhelms me now (i've been gray since June)

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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I understand that the analogy might work for many but I would choose boiled broccoli with olive oil and pepper over any dessert.

The form of the analogy is the important point, not the specifics. "It's like turning into ."

hahaha thank you for that. I know not everyone hates broccoli as much as me :)

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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Took me a while to get what this app does, maybe it would be a better idea to link to their homepage: https://gogray.today/ > What was bright and shiny was now dull and boring. It's like turning your favourite dessert into broccoli. This fantastic analogy it was sold me on signing up, good copywriting:

I understand that the analogy might work for many but I would choose boiled broccoli with olive oil and pepper over any dessert.

we all have different tastes :)

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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Curious how they're planning on technically building the "whitelist apps" and "set grayscale times" features. Are these possible given iOS's sandboxing?

No, definitely not. Apple recently restricted apps' usage of URL schemes to check whether other apps are even installed on the phone. It's possible they could be doing something really esoteric with an enterprise app (doesn't need to go through app review) or an MDM profile (can touch some deeper system stuff sometimes), but given that they're currently in the teaser email capture phase, I doubt this will ever crysta…

The main point of this is definitely to start a "movement"

It's not about me or the app, it's just something that had a profound impact on my life and i'm trying to share that with everyone that might be struggling with this - that's why we include instructions to turn your phone gray natively. The app adds features that have kept some people from going gray even though they really want to (need phone for work and it's too much of a hassle to go menu hopping / navigation apps arent the best in grayscale etc).

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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I did the native version of this after someone mentioned it in one of the general articles on phone addiction that have been making their rounds on HN since the start of the year. So far I don't feel like it has had much of an effect. I've only noticed two direct behavioral changes for me so far: 1) It is forcing me to wait to watch YouTube videos until I get to a computer because I want to see them in color. That se…

Website creator here, thanks for the comment! I do recognize the hate for scroll jacking, however it was the only way for me to set up the website with that effect, do you know of another way? I'd love to make a change (i'll be honest, i didnt know scrolljacking was something that was so despised)

Looking forward to your comment!

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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I don't know about the app, but following the instructions on that website I have just set my phone to monochrome mode. I'm not sure it will assist me to use my phone less, because initially I really like it! The main use for my phone is to read stuff; news, email and instant messaging. I don't use social networking on my phone (apart from Hacker News if that qualifies). I do use a 2FA app, but colour hardly matters…

the app may work for you still, if you find grayscale is taking away your ability to take the photos you want - the whitelisting feature would turn it off when you're in your camera (without menu hopping)

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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because no one ever watched black and white movies or tv shows...

Judging how it is impossible to watch a b&w movie with friends today, pretty much. If all my mp3's were shellac records, i would listen less, but value my time listening more.

great analogy! It's not about all or nothing but frequency :)

Re: Going gray for smartphone addiction

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I did the native version of this after someone mentioned it in one of the general articles on phone addiction that have been making their rounds on HN since the start of the year. So far I don't feel like it has had much of an effect. I've only noticed two direct behavioral changes for me so far: 1) It is forcing me to wait to watch YouTube videos until I get to a computer because I want to see them in color. That se…

Website creator here, thanks for the comment! I do recognize the hate for scroll jacking, however it was the only way for me to set up the website with that effect, do you know of another way? I'd love to make a change (i'll be honest, i didnt know scrolljacking was something that was so despised) Looking forward to your comment!

Hey thanks for your response!

Please note that this response is only in the context of your home page desktop design on Firefox. I'd need to spend some additional time doing analysis on mobile and other browsers.

In my opinion, the main thing you want to do is not change responses to the user's systems native controls. This is an essential part the principal of least surprise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishmen...

In your case, my main problem with the design is two pieces, my scrollbar is missing until after the slide show and the animated pieces of the slide show don't move using the same "physics" principals as a bare html page in the same browser. The lack of a scroll bar (I have an optional setting on so it is always visible if present) means that I don't expect there to be additional content on the page. Then when I do try scrolling, ot feels like nothing is happening at all and then I hit some invisible threshold and the page scrolls _for_ me. This feels a little bit like lag, which in any other case would mean that my computer is breaking. That's a bad feeling.

In most cases I would suggest a medium scale redesign - save the font choices, the colors, and some of the layouts but go back to the drawing board on the user interactions. However I know that designs like this continue to be popular and so I'm going to have to keep working on them. I've found that there are some decent compromises out there. So here's what I would suggest:

1) For the transition between the final slide (pip 3) and the actual page content drop the fixed animation entirely. That content should simply be at the bottom of the page the entire time.

2) For the transitions between the 3 images of Venice (or wherever?), I think you're going to need to do a bit of playing around. Ideally the largest object on the screen should move in direct relation (and with a 1 to 1 ratio) to the scrollbar without any delay. The absolutist in me wants to say that you should just place the 3 images in a stack and be done with it, but I realize that's not eye catching enough for the audience you're targeting. In your case one option would be to consider the "largest object" to be the horizontal scan line where one image stops and the other image starts. But the problem there is that you're still going to have to do significant scroll jacking to get that transition point to move...

However, I think you can get an effect like this using transparency or opacity settings and some complex positioning. You might need JavaScript for slide transitions after the first, but I would have to actually build the thing to figure it out. I'll think about it overnight and let you know if I come up with anything! (No promises though!)

Another option might be to use background-clip: content-box; for the transitions and then some JS magic in-between slide transitions to change which image is in the foreground and which is in the background.

The text at the bottom would continue to switch in a slide show style I think. You would have to try it and see.

If you want to preserve the delay between slides, you'll need to add a somewhat large visual element to the design that continues to move as the user scrolls even while the image stays in place, but in this case, I'm not sure if that will be necessary.

None of those solutions will completely remove scroll event listeners, but they will bring the experience back significantly toward being in line with normal system interactions.

This feeling of lack of control vs perfect control is something I look for in the video games I play. I've come to believe that it is the single most important part of game design for me. Games like QWOP and Getting Over It play with this idea intentionally, while historical successes like Mario 64 and Soul Calibur have made waves in the gaming world specifically because their controls are so refined and fluid.

Sorry I wrote so much! I appreciate the work you're doing with this site and I wish you much success!

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