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Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

#51
Another chance for Apple to stand up and do the right thing, and it flinched because it would rather have money than morals.

And don't give me the standard amoral shareholders whine. Apple is already on record as saying it would rather do the right thing than make money, and if investors don't like it they can go pound sand.

Now Apple's sold out a billion people.

How long until the Chinese government requires access to the Secure Enclave chips in iDevices?

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

#52
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but who cares? Tencent, Baido, etc are not globally competitive, but they are very fine. You know what else is not going to make European tech industry globally competitive? The chronic lack of money, because it's all siphoned away by google, amazon, apple, and such. Do we need a global competition? Why? An internal competition in a huge market is good enough. China encouraged the development of a strong internal…

China has a population of 1+ billion who are firewalled both by network access and by language. European citizens have better English proficiency and no great firewall, hence the transaction barriers to consuming global services are easier. I’m afraid you have to be globally competitive unless the EU wants a Great Firewall.

Maybe we're not so far from an European Great Firewall decades down the line- to stop Five Eyes spying (once the U.K. is no longer an EU member state) or from monopolistic Google privacy infringement or whatever. Economics can be determined by geopolitics.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.

What course of action would you prefer: Willingly shut down iCloud in China or have iCloud forcefully shut down in China?

How about a notice on iCloud reading something like "iCloud is not available in your country due to local government regulations that are in conflict with our position on personal privacy. We are sorry for the inconvenience."

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#55

This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…

A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather than the laws of a foreign power.

This is not even remotely hypothetical. Making everyone's data accessible to organizations and people subject to US court orders is bad for privacy.

This kind of thing will be happening more and more, and not just China and Russia, but also the EU. So it won't just be that Chinese users can be spied upon by the Chinese government. It will also be true that it will be more difficult for the US to spy on citizens of other countries.

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Apple to FBI: No you can't get into iPhones, our users want security. Apple to China: Here are the keys

The difference is that it’s within Apple’s rights in the US to refuse to cooperate with a warrant in the way that they did. The constitution of the United States has strong protections for individuals’ privacy from the state. This is not the case in China. In both cases, they are protecting user privacy to the greatest extent they can by law. Secondly, Apple is not handing the keys to their system over to China. Inst…

They absolutely have the right to refuse to cooperate with the Chinese government, its called refusing to do business in China.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

#57

This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy. It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter. Its like herd immunity with vaccinatio…

A counterpoint here: Consider American subpoenas, court order, FISA warrants and the like. Remember that FISA warrants are secret! Having the data managed by a US company has these consequences. Perhaps you trust the US government more than you trust the Chinese government... that is very reasonable, to be sure. But it makes so much more sense that your data is subject to the law in the country you reside in, rather…

If that's a counterpoint, my point must have been unclear. I think we're in agreement.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

#59
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What course of action would you prefer: Willingly shut down iCloud in China or have iCloud forcefully shut down in China?

How about a notice on iCloud reading something like "iCloud is not available in your country due to local government regulations that are in conflict with our position on personal privacy. We are sorry for the inconvenience."

Given China's history I would expect them to be very, very upset by this public criticism of their government. Especially on every iPhone.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

#60

Another chance for Apple to stand up and do the right thing, and it flinched because it would rather have money than morals. And don't give me the standard amoral shareholders whine. Apple is already on record as saying it would rather do the right thing than make money, and if investors don't like it they can go pound sand. Now Apple's sold out a billion people. How long until the Chinese government requires access…

Actually, once you have the iCloud accounts, you can bypass the Secure Enclave chips.
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