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Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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If anyone here reading this needs the motivation or gentle reminder: you might not need Adderall anymore.

I've used it to get ahead in software for the past ~8 years. I recently gave it up, but it was hard to realize that it was time. It might be time for you, too.

The thing holding me back was fear. Fear I wasn't enough, that I couldn't be efficient. That I would get fired from my high position. Or even if I could make it work, that I still wouldn't get enough done on my startup (which has its own list of fears itself).

What finally pushed me to quit was realizing I wasn't as compassionate anymore; it was impacting my relationships. I had three separate people tell me in my coworking space that I look too busy and unapproachable so they never came to chat. I had a SO tell me that I'm emotionally unavailable too often. All within the time span of a month. I'm naturally an optimistic, compassionate person. This wasn't me, and being a robot (as mentioned in the article!) wasn't who I wanted to be, at any cost.

Indeed, three days after I quit I felt like a new person. I felt silly, fun, again. I had a week of "brain fog" where I wasn't productive. Afterward my efficiency went back up. Nowhere near the Adderall levels, but to a very acceptable level.

So in summary, you might not need it anymore if it's causing you grief. Sorry for the lame motivational things I'm about to say (Taken from the book, Daring Greatly):

You are enough.

You are worthy.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#52
post #49

Any other managers notice that workers on Adderall will spend enormous amounts of time on totally non-productive or completely unrelated tasks?

This is not necessarily related to the medication. ADD often represents as hyperfocus, to the detriment of the things you should be focusing on. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfocus

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#53

"We could still have a principled definition of ADHD. It would be something like “People below the 5th percentile in ability to concentrate, as measured by this test.” Instead, we use the DSM, which advises us to diagnose people with ADHD if they say they have at least five symptoms from a list. " I'm in Germany and I've been diagnosed with ADHD-PI lately (I am in my 30s) after seeing a private specialist about this…

>Not to mention that by the time you get to your doctor, un-medicated, you will forget to tell about half of your symptoms.

This is actually a major problem. I was diagnosed with ADD as a child but gave up the medication in my late teens because it had side-effects I didn't enjoy.

Late last year, I thought it might be worth trying it again, maybe with a milder dose. I booked an appointment with a doctor, who referred me to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist told me there was a two week waiting period and that they'd call me back in a few weeks, and never did. It was two months before I remembered to follow it up.

I don't bore you with the rest of the details, but the short version is every medical professional I spoke to (and I spoke to about 5 during this saga) told me to wait and that they would organize something for me, and then didn't. Turns out if you lie to someone with ADD and leave the organization ball in their court like that, they'll never get treatment, because they struggle with the very thing you're asking them to do. It's pretty much the worst thing you can do for them.

Anyway, I've just realized I was planning to talk to the doctor about it again 4 months ago to try to get the ball rolling again. It's Christmas now, they won't be back at work until mid January. I'd better send myself an email, wish me luck.

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#54
post #39

Anyone here had luck with some kind of alternative treatment?

I was treated both as a child and as an adult. After I quit my adult medication I was a wreck, and ended up going to therapy. It wasn't specifically to address ADHD, but just me in general. I took a break from work, began eating well, sleeping well, and exercising, and I feel like I've gotten a lot better at focusing. My diet became more or less low-carb, and I did strength training. Could those be it? I don't know, but I feel a lot better and am more professionally accomplished than I ever was. There's my anecdote.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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post #53

"We could still have a principled definition of ADHD. It would be something like “People below the 5th percentile in ability to concentrate, as measured by this test.” Instead, we use the DSM, which advises us to diagnose people with ADHD if they say they have at least five symptoms from a list. " I'm in Germany and I've been diagnosed with ADHD-PI lately (I am in my 30s) after seeing a private specialist about this…

>Not to mention that by the time you get to your doctor, un-medicated, you will forget to tell about half of your symptoms. This is actually a major problem. I was diagnosed with ADD as a child but gave up the medication in my late teens because it had side-effects I didn't enjoy. Late last year, I thought it might be worth trying it again, maybe with a milder dose. I booked an appointment with a doctor, who referred…

A better system of tracking tasks is useful for everyone, not just ADHD. Try setting a calendar entry for a date on which you'll follow up if you haven't heard anything back, and use something like Google Keep (key point is it has a mobile app and webpage) to organize to-do lists.

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#57
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you get enough vitamins without any fruits? Are you just using supplements?

I take fruits which have no/negligible sugar like Amla, Lemos, Avocados. Once in a while, I do take supplements. But on the whole, I try to live a more natural life, with as less drugs/medicines as possible. Even for milk, I drink raw milk and not processed milk.

Pasteurization was invented for a reason though, and literally saved millions of lives. I can't fathom how the supposed benefits of raw milk could outweigh its risks.

Also, what are the supposed benefits exactly? Can you link to scientific studies validating them?

Re: Adderall Risks: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

#59

"We could still have a principled definition of ADHD. It would be something like “People below the 5th percentile in ability to concentrate, as measured by this test.” Instead, we use the DSM, which advises us to diagnose people with ADHD if they say they have at least five symptoms from a list. " I'm in Germany and I've been diagnosed with ADHD-PI lately (I am in my 30s) after seeing a private specialist about this…

That seems like an odd test. Of course everybody will score better on a concentration test while on medication for concentration.

It depends on where you set the bar. If you make it easy for 80% of the population to ace it, then the only people who will fail are the ones with serious deficiencies.

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#60

I felt extremely sad on taking Adderall and other similar stimulant medications like Ritalin. Maybe the sadness effect would have gotten less with continuing the medicine, but overall, I didn't feel like taking drugs since they cause a lot of other side effects like insomnia. Now I've been able to control my ADHD successfully. Atleast upto the point that it has stopped affecting my life and career so much. a) 0 sugar…

Interesting, Adderall always had the opposite effect on me. I have a tendency towards mild depression, which was a problem on Ritalin but which Adderall treated very well. It functions as a mild anti-depressant in many people (it was why my doctor suggested switching).

However, even in low doses Adderall and Ritalin can cause psychosis in a small fraction of people. Is that what happened to you?

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