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Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by pwaai »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #9

God! Enough! At this point any announcement with "blockchain" should turn any informed person off of the whole project. Checking out Red was on my roadmap and now it's firmly not.

Yeah I actually couldn't believe what I was seeing when the other day I was actually thinking this about Red Lang, 'this actually could be onto something'...

It completely erodes trust and confidence when a project just bolts on a blockchain...it makes me question if they are in this for the long haul or just want to cash out.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by dmitriid »

dragonwriter wrote: post #45
9214 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be so narrow-minded. Buzzwords and cryptocurrencies speculations aside, Red is really worth checking, at least if you're a language enthusiast and is interested in Forth and Lisp family. And here blockchain is nothing more than an innovative (yet rather controversial, I agree, since I'm skeptical too) model to sustain programming language community and gain a solid ground for core developing team.

Red has potential, but certainly has had slow progress; shifting focus to blockchain may increase total resources but even if it does it mostly likely means slowing down progress outside of the new focal domain. So, I can see it legitimately killing interest at the margins for those not specifically not interested in blockchain-focussed programming.

> it mostly likely means slowing down progress outside of the new focal domain.

IIRC, at the end of last year they promised 1.0 by the end of this year.

Then they missed a 0.6.x release by four months. Now they don't even talk about a 1.0 and even minor releases no longer have a due date [1]

So yes, all these additional endeavours will definitely slow an already slow progress to a halt.

I also wonder if they finally fully implemented integers and floats...

[1] https://github.com/red/red/milestones

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by dmitriid »

9214 wrote: post #27
admax88q wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not though. This announcement shows the direction that those in charge of Red plan to take it. If you think that's a stupid direction, then that should influence your decision to invest any time in learning or building upon that language.

Can you clarify how you see that direction?

This: https://hackernoon.com/ten-years-in-nobody-has-come-up-with-...

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by pwaai »

phantom_oracle wrote: post #32

edit I know we're all experiencing blockchain fatigue, but for once, I actually know what the tokens will be used for (beyond the usual snake-oil that other ICOs sell). For reference: Some of the target usages for the token holders, will include: - voting rights: influence the Red roadmap, vote for features and issue tickets. - tipping: useful chat posts, code contributions, learning materials providers, etc. - intra…

> but for once, I actually know what the tokens will be used for

Do you seriously believe that people will give you the benefit of the doubt when you are repeating the exact same hype and promise that almost all blockchain/ico projects have done in the past?

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by jesperlang »

tadasv wrote: post #33

Not sure what to think of this. Smells like FOMO. I looked at their roadmap and they're planning to support so many different architectures. Adding EVM support seems like adding more complexity to the project just because blockchain. I think something like this is needed for programming on blockchain, but I'd prefer to see a dedicated project instead.

also, documentation seems to have be an after thought. I want to like Red, but the documentation has been so scattered, unorganized and limited, I felt more slowed than I needed to be.

Will still keep an eye on Red though, hoping it will improve on that level

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by pwaai »

nathcd wrote: post #35
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #9

God! Enough! At this point any announcement with "blockchain" should turn any informed person off of the whole project. Checking out Red was on my roadmap and now it's firmly not.

Agreed. Blockchains have yet to power anything of practical value. They're arguably technically interesting, and may be useful in the long term, but the hype is pathetic and embarrassing.

I don't get why this comment is being downvoted? There's nothing that suggests that blockchain is seeing mass adoption other than the people pushing it.

So far it has proved to be a fantastic vehicle for transferring wealth from unsuspecting investors in the hands of the few who promises the world but will not actually deliver because you know, regulation is a thing of the past.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by geofft »

rebolek wrote: post #13
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #9

God! Enough! At this point any announcement with "blockchain" should turn any informed person off of the whole project. Checking out Red was on my roadmap and now it's firmly not.

You certainly should check Red anyway. It is still the same language as yesterday, before any "blockchain" announcement. No buzzword can change the great design.

I wish I knew how to fight this idea that a project is its code, and not its community and values and expected future. GNOME 2 is certainly not the same GNOME 2 as it was 10 years ago, despite the code not having gone everywhere. Something like MATE might be, but its difference from GNOME 2 lies precisely in its existence as a community with values separate from the GNOME community and values.
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