Live data from Hacker News

Google Maps' Moat

justinobeirne.com

51–60 of 619 posts

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#51

When can we get a flight simulator using Google Maps data? It doesn't need the fidelity of data for names of streets, places, etc. just the imagery. If they can extrapolate building details like bay windows, then they should be able to model entire areas from enough heights and angles to represent it much better than what I've seen in flight simulators for personal use (at least last I looked).

Google Earth used to have a very basic flight sim. Not sure if it still does, though.

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#52

When can we get a flight simulator using Google Maps data? It doesn't need the fidelity of data for names of streets, places, etc. just the imagery. If they can extrapolate building details like bay windows, then they should be able to model entire areas from enough heights and angles to represent it much better than what I've seen in flight simulators for personal use (at least last I looked).

There's already a flight simulator in the Google Earth desktop app, under the Tools menu.

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#53
I was pleasantly surprised to how much attention to detail and thought goes into the cartography design on Google Maps. Just yesterday, I noticed this little gem when searching for the Channel Islands off of California: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Channel+Islands+National+P...

Try zooming in and zooming out slowly and watch what happens to the labeling of the islands since they are actually a collection.

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if everyone shared data, they could compete on the UX Why? Google seems to have a gigantic advantage in data, which is highly valuable. Why would they give up that advantage, if they spent millions, if not billions, of dollars creating it? And what would be the incentive to create such data if there's no economic gain from it?

>And what would be the incentive to create such data if there's no economic gain from it? // If the data is useful then there is an _economic_ gain, just not necessarily a profit. If you meant "if there's no profit from it" then it was spoken like a true capitalist. Why do anything if you're not going to be paid for it. Why visit your mum in hospital? Why give money to the homeless for food? Why create software for o…

All of these items fit into the rational expectations and utility maximization framework.

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#55

Is there a reason anyone uses Apple Maps, aside from wanting to avoid Google out of principle/privacy/monoculture concerns? To be clear, these are entirely legitimate reasons, but I was wondering if the product has any direct benefits for the user (which is a coherent subset of reasons given the modal users' level of concern about systemic issues). I'm not trying to randomly snipe at Apple here, I just know very litt…

If I'm being 100% honest, no, other than better integration into the iOS ecosystem. For me, Apple Maps is pretty terrible all around. It feels like it was designed by a group of people that don't actually drive anywhere.

Issues:

- Search results are terrible compared to Google's.

- While the UI is generally smoother, it lags behind (i.e. It shows a turn a good bit after I do). This is especially frustrating when driving through small city blocks and trying to be in the correct lane for the next turn.

- Lane guidance was finally added, but no way to see ahead like in gmaps.

- Day/night mode is very fussy. When I'm driving through the Bay Bridge at night it constantly flips back and forth between day/night due to the overhead lights.

- It is pretty frustrating that the line ahead of me is constantly wobbling around instead of matching the curve/line ahead of me. It feels disorienting and makes it difficult to see if there's an upcoming left/right ahead. Google generally does a good job trying to visually match what you're seeing. https://imgur.com/a/t3Sxm

- If I check traffic when I wake up, then go through my morning routine, then check it again, there's a 90% chance it'll crash on startup.

- No way to add a stop

- No street view

and so on...

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#56
post #9

Things like this make me think that it's a shame humanity is duplicating all this work instead of collaborating to do it once. One of the awkward failures of capitalism, I guess. At least when your product is something physical you end up with twice as many outputs. When it's just data you just do the same work twice.

Isn't open street maps exactly that? I guess the shame is that big corporations don't all contribute to that rather than try to compete? It is a thought provoking idea but I struggle to see which side I prefer. I think competition is one of the things that drives innovation.

FWIW, Samsung is the corporate booster behind Mapzen, which provides free mapping APIs while contributing to OpenStreetMap:

https://trademarks.justia.com/860/91/mapzen-86091461.html

https://mapzen.com/about/

> Mapzen is an open and accessible mapping platform...Based out of the Samsung Accelerator, we support the geo community through building tools and collaborating on open source mapping projects. We believe that a healthy mapping ecosystem is one that is diverse, sustainable, and accessible to all.

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#57
post #39
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I launched Google Maps for mobile in 2005. In 2006, Eric Schmidt was worried that Yahoo Go was a killer app. My claim that Google Maps was the real killer app fell on deaf ears. :)

I consider myself an old tech geek but "Yahoo Go" rings absolutely no bells for me. What was Google Maps for mobile in 2005? Those were flip phone days for me.

We launched on j2me flip phones and soon added support for blackberry. The displays were small and most phones didn't have GPS.

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#58
post #39
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I launched Google Maps for mobile in 2005. In 2006, Eric Schmidt was worried that Yahoo Go was a killer app. My claim that Google Maps was the real killer app fell on deaf ears. :)

I consider myself an old tech geek but "Yahoo Go" rings absolutely no bells for me. What was Google Maps for mobile in 2005? Those were flip phone days for me.

And here's info about Yahoo Go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Go

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#59
post #49

Maybe it's naive of me, but I would assume it won't take 6 years for Apple to redo the work that Google is ahead on. For one thing, they now know a specific feature to work toward, which cuts some time out. Then, they can likely throw more cycles at this problem than Google could 6 years ago, again reducing Google's lead. Lastly, they probably have a lot of stored raw data (satellite images specifically) that Google…

I think you're confusing ideas/features with execution. Apple knew very well at the onset what to build. But they executed poorly and underestimated the amount of non-trivial human involvement in correcting mistakes and combining many layers of information into a cohesive and [mostly] robust experience.

These kinds of applications aren't Apple's strong suit, and Google is years ahead on technical abilities on the data correction and feedback front as well as custom satellite hardware and software design. Although Apple may be moving on that [1].

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/21/apple-satellite-hardware-proj...

Re: Google Maps' Moat

#60
post #39
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I launched Google Maps for mobile in 2005. In 2006, Eric Schmidt was worried that Yahoo Go was a killer app. My claim that Google Maps was the real killer app fell on deaf ears. :)

I consider myself an old tech geek but "Yahoo Go" rings absolutely no bells for me. What was Google Maps for mobile in 2005? Those were flip phone days for me.

FWIW I had a flip-phone with some form of Java based Google Maps IIRC. It had an Opera browser too.
Post reply on HN