about IRS at 7:30 what does it mean "won't talk to them without immunity"? Should I state this when they ask me some questions?
Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
easy. the kid was pinned down, face down, from the very start of the video. officer 1 advances to cuff, officer 2 covers. so fucking simple.
See, here's the difference - I'm talking about a pattern, and you're talking about the exact situation. You can't train most people to act according to each individual situation in an intelligent manner, especially when situation is very scary, and those rare people who can be trained to do this are usually in special ops, not in regular police. So, when considering a police or military response to a situation, consi…
Very short span of time? He had minutes of saying things like "you disobey me again and there is a strong possibility you end up dead" "shut up" and "you do that again we're shooting you". And your excuse is that they're too dumb to not shoot?
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#53I believe the lawyer in the video, James Duane, now recommends the phrase, "I want a lawyer," as the correct response to any police question. As some have mentioned, mere silence is not enough to invoke one's constitutional rights and could in fact be used as a legal argument as to your guilt.
If I get arrested and say "I want a lawyer". What lawyer do I get? A random public defender? A private defender? If it's private defender, am I able to ask for another lawyer if the fees are too high? Will that lawyer refer me to another more specialized lawyer later on?
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#54I believe the lawyer in the video, James Duane, now recommends the phrase, "I want a lawyer," as the correct response to any police question. As some have mentioned, mere silence is not enough to invoke one's constitutional rights and could in fact be used as a legal argument as to your guilt.
If I get arrested and say "I want a lawyer". What lawyer do I get? A random public defender? A private defender? If it's private defender, am I able to ask for another lawyer if the fees are too high? Will that lawyer refer me to another more specialized lawyer later on?
The point is that after you have requested a lawyer they are obliged to refrain from questioning you.
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#55This is probably too extreme. Andrew Branca recommends [1] to "say little" rather than to "say nothing".
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/5sicm5/the_law_of_self...
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do they shoot him? Did he move abruptly or something? What should I be doing if I find myself in a similar situation?
I can't bring myself to watch it either, but from other descriptions: the police order the man to crawl towards them (while simultaneously yelling at him to put his hands in the air). As he's crawling along the floor, his pants start sliding off. When he reaches down to pull up his pants, the police kill him.
"Jurors in the Daniel Shaver case were not allowed to know that the police officer who shot him had scratched “you’re fucked” into his service weapon."
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/footage...
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#57about IRS at 7:30 what does it mean "won't talk to them without immunity"? Should I state this when they ask me some questions?
No. You should not ask for immunity, which will be used to show you were concerned about needing immunity. You should ask for a lawyer.
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#58How far do you take this? For example, suppose you hear someone down the street yell, "My baby!", look up, and see a man shove a woman to the ground, take a baby from a stroller, get into a car with the baby, and drive quickly up the street, leaving behind the woman screaming "He took my baby! Help!". They pass you, and a block farther up turn left onto a freeway on ramp. 30 seconds later a police officer drives by,…
If it looks like you're the suspect, then don't talk and get a lawyer. Otherwise, you should probably avoid doing anything that makes you a suspect, including demanding a lawyer prematurely.
Demanding a lawyer, and refusing to answer questions, explicitly should not make you look like a suspect in the eyes of the law.
(The eyes of the investigating officer may be different, but they must follow the law in the end.)
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#59I keep rewatching this video every now and then, very recommended if you're from the U.S. I wonder how much does all this information apply to other countries (for instance, in the EU).
All that happened to me after we called the police when we witnessed somebody breaking an ATM machine and driving off with a car was (apart from ID and telling them what we saw) a call a few weeks later from a police officer.
He complained that the firewall at the office would not let him download the video I had uploaded to some 3rd party service and if I could just burn him a CD and bring it. (Seriously.) I talked him into trying some other things, and did not get contacted since. That was weird.
edit: In Germany.
Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)
#60How far do you take this? For example, suppose you hear someone down the street yell, "My baby!", look up, and see a man shove a woman to the ground, take a baby from a stroller, get into a car with the baby, and drive quickly up the street, leaving behind the woman screaming "He took my baby! Help!". They pass you, and a block farther up turn left onto a freeway on ramp. 30 seconds later a police officer drives by,…
Good news is that the scenario you described is incredibly rare. You are much more likely to witness mass shooting.