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Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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Because until very recently that is what hacker meant to regular people: "someone who bypasses computer security, usually to commit a crime"

"Until very recently"? So what does it mean now to regular people?

It is used as a synonym of "doer" or "builder" but in the software/internet related industries, e.g. this website. Which is a bit strange since "to hack" doesn't carry good connotations, neither a "hacker" in the original sense.

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because until very recently that is what hacker meant to regular people: "someone who bypasses computer security, usually to commit a crime"

"Until very recently"? So what does it mean now to regular people?

Still mostly the original definition, but as tech culture spills into the mainstream more people are coming around to something approaching "someone who codes."

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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How is it that this can't be prevented by the Bitcoin network? The network should be able to mark coins stolen and unusable...oh wait it can't. Because in order to do that you'd need a trusted third party to verify the coins were stolen defeating the purpose of a distributed ledger that doesn't require third party trust. Yet another shortcoming of trying to replicate cash.

You can flip the argument around: Credit card chargeback fraud is extremely common. Accepting irreversible payments would be better for these cases as the customer cannot pay, walk out with goods and keep their money. It's much harder for a public company to actively defraud their customers so this is actually more sane. Also cash has the exact same properties.

> Also cash has the exact same properties.

I mean, sort of. There are logistics that make stealing $70m worth of physical cash difficult.

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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What really pisses me off is how it got handled by NiceHash: Alex Zvyozdny: Many of you already know that the site reddit spread information about the alleged hacking of our service. We hasten to assure everyone that your bitcoins are safe and sound. And we are the largest pool in the CIS countries are not going to close, but rather increase our presence in the regions. In connection with the increased number of thos…

Sounds like it was written by a 12 year old

Or just someone who isn't a native speaker?

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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If someone stoles cash from you, how do you mark that cash as stolen?

FWIW banks will record serial numbers of bills that go missing after a robbery.

I’ve heard that's true of some of the serial numbers of bills stolen, but only because banks track a small and segregated set of bills in each tellers drawers, not because they track all serial numbers, and isn't used so much to find thieves and to confirm them once other mechanisms have caught them.

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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Whoa, edgy!

It is truly astonishing how salty the hacker news community is about BTX

I don't know, I'd probably be pretty salty too if I'd known of bitcoin for years, never bought any because I kept predicting its demise / uselessness, and was continuously made wrong by reality. This meme shouldn't make me laugh but seems fitting... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQfNIzNVAAETVOB?format=jpg&name=...

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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Can someone explain how is it possible to steal Bitcoin if every transaction is recorded in a public ledger? Does not every bitcoin have its own signature which allows you to track its movement? New to this.

Think of 'owning' a bitcoin as 'having the ability to spend' this bitcoin. This ability is guarded by a private key. If this private key is stolen, someone else ALSO has the ability to spend this bitcoin. Then, if this attacker transfers this bitcoin to another of his own private keys (he 'spends' it), in the blockchain there will be a record, yes. But who owns this new private key is unknown.

Thanks that was very clear. Follow up question. Could criminals use bitcoin as a payment method for ransom ?

Re: Hackers Steal $70M in Bitcoin

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can flip the argument around: Credit card chargeback fraud is extremely common. Accepting irreversible payments would be better for these cases as the customer cannot pay, walk out with goods and keep their money. It's much harder for a public company to actively defraud their customers so this is actually more sane. Also cash has the exact same properties.

> Also cash has the exact same properties. I mean, sort of. There are logistics that make stealing $70m worth of physical cash difficult.

Alright sure. You can however protect $70M Bitcoin easier so it balances out I'd say.
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