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AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by bosstime »

westbywest wrote: post #46
bosstime wrote: post #44

Hi AG Schneiderman, I have an unusual last name. I searched it on your FCC comment site. Someone with my last name as their first name was the only result. Their comment was against net neutrality. Due to our unusual last name, it seemed odd it was someones first name so I decided to do my own research. By searching google, I came across a variety of social media accounts all of them were inactive with little to no f…

AG published a form for reporting fake comments: https://ag.ny.gov/fakecomments-form

I don't know, that seems like it's for comments made by you that you didn't actually do.

I have little reason to believe the person who left this comment is real or rather if the person is real, I doubt they actually left the response. However I don't think I should file it on their behalf in case I'm wrong.

I guess if they want the information, I'd pass it onto his staff and let him and his staff do the research to determine it's authenticity although that seems like a lot of work to authenticate one person.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by zonethundery »

Dear AG Schneiderman:

Thanks for all the work you do on behalf of New Yorkers and consumers in other states.

1. Are there any federal statutes under which states could sue providers to effectively maintain net neutrality? (analogous to the UDAAP authority granted to states by Dodd-Frank)

2. What obligations does the FCC have under the APA (or other statute) to ensure the integrity of the comment process, rather than merely evaluating them and remaining "open minded"?

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by jerkstate »

_red wrote: post #41

For those of us who have used the internet 1989 to present, and who are dubious anytime we are told government is taking broad sweeping actions to "protect" us. Please explain the need for this regulation to exist. 1. Please define "network neutrality" - if possible do so without using hand-waving nonsense words, but technical definitions. What strictly defines a "neutrality infraction"? 2. If the internet existed fo…

My understanding is that the technical implementation of net neutrality is a ban of traffic policing (dropping prior to complete congestion to signal senders to slow down) for purposes other than "reasonable network management"

So Comcast shaping Netflix when Cogent won't pay their share to upgrade their peering point is probably still legal, but they would probably have to go to court to prove that it was "reasonable network management" and depending on the technical prowess of the court, could easily go the other way. The outcome is that telcos lose a lot of negotiating power to content providers.

More last mile providers probably wouldn't solve this problem, because people pay money for what they actually want (streaming video) rather than what they say they want ("free speech") and an ISP that protected freedom of speech would be protecting nazis, white supremacists, fake news, etc.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by rgbrenner »

mc32 wrote: post #32
avs733 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both paragraphs are whataboutism. The first talks about comment content which the AG did not reference. The second talks about an entirely irrelevant issue and tries to shift the definition of a term to something broader that clouds discussion.

I would disagree. The first says that there is a concern both sides engaged in ballot stuffing while AG seems concerned by a single sides PoV. The other more importantly is concerned with guaranteeing a triumvirate of gatekeepers doesn't guide discourse in one direction or the other.

Your link says a lot of form letters were submitted. That's not the issue. There's nothing wrong with submitting a form letter with your name attached to it.

The issue is using someone elses name and information to submit a comment -- ie: identity theft.

Form letters and identity theft are not equivalent. One is an easy way to submit a comment. The other is illegal.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by EvanAnderson »

_red wrote: post #41

For those of us who have used the internet 1989 to present, and who are dubious anytime we are told government is taking broad sweeping actions to "protect" us. Please explain the need for this regulation to exist. 1. Please define "network neutrality" - if possible do so without using hand-waving nonsense words, but technical definitions. What strictly defines a "neutrality infraction"? 2. If the internet existed fo…

I am not speaking about the rest of your points (just don't have time right now), but I did want to note that the "the Internet existed w/o net neutrality" argument really frustrates me.

The Internet of today isn't the Internet of a year ago, let alone the "~20 year" time frame you mention. Yes-- the Internet of 20 years ago didn't need regulation because the profit potential was minimal. It only makes sense, with more and more commerce moving to the Internet, that the entrenched telecommunication interests would move more aggressively to "tax" the use of the Internet.

I'd love to have more competition in the Internet access space, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. The existing telecom interests have lots of regulation and lobbying power at their disposal to exclude competitors. I'd argue the existing interests need to kept in check until the regulatory climate changes to allow more competition in the ISP space.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by anechoe »

AG Schneiderman: Thank you for doing this and setting up this website. I actually hadn't checked until now, and found a false comment - it isn't from me though, it's from my biological mom, who's been dead for almost 20 years now. Is there a way for me to file a report for this? My representatives are already for net neutrality, but I will see what else I can do to support this cause. Thank you for fighting for our freedoms and to uncover the fraud that occurred during this comments process.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by temp123123123 »

ikeboy wrote: post #40
GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do these comments harm real people? When they are used to justify policies that harm real people. That question is so silly I first thought it was rhetorical.

Do you really think regulatory decisions are made based on which side gets more public comments? And that that is so obvious anyone who disagrees is silly?

It can certainly be used as an excuse, instead of having to come up with a separate reason to justify.

Moreover, the precedent is set that this kind of thing isn't worth investigating.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by anechoe »

AG Schneiderman: Thank you for doing this and setting up this website! My representatives are already for net neutrality - but I will see what else I can do to support this cause. Thank you for fighting for our freedoms and to uncover the fraud that occurred during this comments process.

(I thought there was a comment using my mother's name/etc. but it appears that there's somebody else with the same name living in New York? Maybe? My last name's really rare [on the order of 50 people in the US?], so I wasn't expecting this at all, but they do appear to exist as a different person.)

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by JCharante »

> Approximately 1 million of those comments may have been submitted using real people’s stolen identities--including those of as many as 50K New Yorkers, such as a dead person and a 13 year old child.

I'm not familiar with the story about the 13 year old child. Has anyone gotten in touch with them to see if they submitted it? Maybe they're the next Aaron Swartz.

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