Are there any tools we should download before half the internet is blocked?
(Can't believe I had to just write that).
FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#52So, suppose everyone's worst nightmares come true - the FCC proceeds down the path it's currently on and ISPs begin to implement arbitrary throttling/blocking of content. How will something like SpaceX's planned "mesh network" of thousands of internet-providing satellites affect the landscape?
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#53Honest question, what changes can we expect as ISP consumers if this happens? A follow up, if all it is is them charging customers more for using more bandwidth, how is that any different from any other fundamental resource like water, electricity, etc? Why should I pay as much money for my SSH and Hacker News as the guy down the street streaming Netflix all day?
Metered usage is not a violation of neutrality. Varying prices or manipulating quality of service based on the endpoint's identity is.
So if I understand, they're disguising this as "Netflix eats up so much bandwidth" but really it's "we want an unfair advantage over Netflix"? Otherwise, I have no idea why republicans would support this.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…
Imagine the beginning of the new meshnet. It'll be like the internet was in the beginning. A bunch of computer nerds. I actually would kinda like that.
I'm guessing they will begin honeypotting devices connected to meshnet and ensuring that its users get persecuted (and prosecuted) for high crimes they didnt commit.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
YC is unique in the list that you give insofar as they're likely to not benefit from a repeal of NN, whereas the consolidation of money and influence in the big four has made the repeal of NN very attractive to them, and they're not inclined to fight it. Wall street, private sector don't care, they can reason about the repeal of NN and migrate to where the lopsided gains will accrete as a result. The money and market…
> Direct action is required [...] Go vote. I had so much hope for your last paragraph and then you just regurgitated the bullshit “go vote” mantra. If that’s what direct action means to you people then no wonder you’ve had this pushed down your throat.
Talk about any other kind probably doesn’t flourish here on YC’s site.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#56After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. This whole situation sucks, and no matter how much noise we make and activism we take part in, if Pai has the legal footing to ruin the internet, he will.
We've only had the rules for two years, and this only shows that the next administration can also pull and about-face. The lawsuits might not even be settled by then.
>>We've only had the rules for two years,
False. A form of NN was in place from 2010 to 2014. Then the courts rules the FCC exceeded its authority under Title I so the FCC moved the ISP to Title II and reapplied the NN Rules in 2015.
Also one should note that from the internet inception until 2005 Internet Services were Telecommunications Services regulated under Title II.
It is more accurate to state we were only with out the rules from 2005 to 2010.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#57Honest question, what changes can we expect as ISP consumers if this happens? A follow up, if all it is is them charging customers more for using more bandwidth, how is that any different from any other fundamental resource like water, electricity, etc? Why should I pay as much money for my SSH and Hacker News as the guy down the street streaming Netflix all day?
I would also like to hear a rational answer to this. For example Comcast claims that they support "sustainable net neutrality protections" for their customers. Then why are they fighting so hard to dismantle it? What are they going to change?
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…
> comments being written by russian bots . Let's tone down the McCarthyism a bit shall we?
I thought McCarthyism was the practice of blacklisting sociopolitical opponents w/ unfalsifiable claims of their allegiance to a foreign power.
Ok, you're suggesting the bot-comments were just domestic.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#59Is there really no alternative to using an ISP for a connection?
Is it possible to build a decentralised and encrypted network on our mobile phones? I guess we still have to run traffic through mobile service providers...
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#60I feel more helpless now than I did on November 9th, 2016.
Make sure you are registered to vote if you are in the United States. And vote in every election. Even something that seems small like school board has more implications then we know.
And if you live in a city, demand the election commission open more polling places/etc. Low turnout in urban areas is at least partially because people don't want to wait in lines for hours, while the poling places in rural areas have 0 wait times...