And this is why we must force our kids to watch "Enemy of The State" and perhaps "Person of Interest " (episodes where Samaritan is up) every holiday. I think its a good introduction to the value of privacy for kids.
Introducing Messenger Kids
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#52TLDR, Facebook wants your children to connect to you via a chat app. I'm more than saddened to see that among the tech giants, they are encouraging _children_ to just use face filters and video chatting, rather than encouraging them to go outside and interact with friends in person. Why does an app made specifically for children and families need filters at all? It doesn't really matter that they are not putting in a…
A bit luddite don't you think? Nobody encouraged me or you back when we were children to go online and chat using IRC instead of going outside to interact with friends in person, yet we did. I'm sure a lot of parents would prefer a more monitored environment (claimed) than IRC and such.
> I'm sure a lot of parents would prefer a more monitored environment (claimed) than IRC and such.
I'd prefer no chat client whatsoever, which I can enforce as a parent.
Not a luddite, have just seen the damage large tech corporations have caused to societal fabric in the name of profits and keeping that out of our family.
Disclaimer: Grew up on EFnet, would rather have my kids playing outside.
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#53fuck this. i'm sorry i know this isn't language appropriate to hn but fuck this. does anyone believe this is really for the betterment of any child's life? say anything you want about how children use messenger apps now and this just improves that experience for them but accommodations aside that's basically the same excuse that drug dealers use - "they're going to get it from somewhere so they might as well get it f…
I actually agree with you that this is "drug dealer" tactics but for totally different reasons. I think this is a classic "the first hit is free" move. It's a long-term play. I believe FB when they say they won't show ads to kids, or use their chats for ad scraping. What they really want is for those kids to become so familiar and dependent on the system (FB), that they naturally transition to being active FB users a…
> If you hook them when they're really young, though, then FB just becomes an unquestioned part of life.
Exactly like religion. Facebook is learning from the best!
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#54Doesn't this contradict FB's terms and conditions [1] I quote: > You will not use Facebook if you are under 13. [1]: https://www.facebook.com/terms.php
This isn't Facebook, it's Facebook Messenger for Kids. It's linked to a parents' account (who usually are above 13), so they are legally responsible in the end.
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#55Wow. Just like tobacco companies targeting kids[0] Facebook is making sure their targets get hooked even younger. > After talking to thousands of parents, associations like National PTA, and parenting experts in the US Which "parenting experts" are in favor of giving kids more time on electronics? [0]: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tobacco-companies...
So companies manufacturing baby phone toys are just sneaky drug dealers trying to addict children to telephone drug?
Chat is a communication tool. Why so much hate for facebook chat app? None of that I've seen when facebook dumped ton of brain dead (often pay to win) games on children or when apple did the same with their app store.
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#56> There are no ads in Messenger Kids and your child’s information isn’t used for ads. I do wonder what quantity of data Facebook will collect on child users of this service though, and how that could be used. I’m not too well versed in COPPA outside of account creation restrictions, but I would hope that it has provisions for data collection on children.
They will monitor them for signs of depression and make sure the "right" people are aware of it.
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#57Get them hooked early. Revenue for the future.
So baby phone toys is just entry drug peddled by big teleco?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Niantic doesn't seem to have a problem with this.
Their situation is not an either/or, it's both. It's an awesome model and I think eventually a lot of companies will replicate something similar using AR. Thanks for pointing that out though!
Sure. I am thinking of the classic "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World," in which there is a discussion of natures. It strikes me that Niantic produced a product which resonated with the nature of kids. Apple in the Jobs days strove to produce technology that was consonant with human nature, which meant they sometimes seemed slow but built things that made sense, and made obvious decisions quickly (no ad tracking in iMessage, for instance). Even Google in its early days built a search product that was quite more human than competitors. Products that irritate human nature can succeed, but perhaps not for too long.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually agree with you that this is "drug dealer" tactics but for totally different reasons. I think this is a classic "the first hit is free" move. It's a long-term play. I believe FB when they say they won't show ads to kids, or use their chats for ad scraping. What they really want is for those kids to become so familiar and dependent on the system (FB), that they naturally transition to being active FB users a…
>I believe FB when they say they won't show ads to kids, or use their chats for ad scraping. why do you believe this? i have no reason to believe it (since their entire business model is targeted ads) except the "first hit is free" alternate hypothesis. does fb have a single "loss leader" feature?
> why do you believe this?
Because why say it otherwise? Facebook could've easily left all of that out and just said "Introducing messenger for kids! We're making sure it's carefully curated and safe for your children" etc. etc.
People would've speculated that it was being used for ads, sure, but it wouldn't have caused a major outrage. I'd bet significant sums of money that most (not all, obviously) parents don't really care about their children being advertised to or used for market research - I mean hell, TV was doing that way before FB was a thing. Most parents probably worry about more obvious things w.r.t. children chatting online: Bullying, talking to strangers, etc.
Saying "we're not scraping childrens' messages" and then turning around and doing exactly that would be such a monumental PR disaster if it ever came out. I don't think FB is quite that stupid. They're clearly focused on the long-term.
Another possibility is that they're actually just legally barred from scraping messages sent by children, and this is them putting a PR spin on "we're complying with the law!"
So basically, I just don't see a lot of benefit to promising not to scrape messages if they really want to do that.
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#60fuck this. i'm sorry i know this isn't language appropriate to hn but fuck this. does anyone believe this is really for the betterment of any child's life? say anything you want about how children use messenger apps now and this just improves that experience for them but accommodations aside that's basically the same excuse that drug dealers use - "they're going to get it from somewhere so they might as well get it f…
Totally agree. Fuck this Mark. We don't need this social brain F for kids. I know you are totally disrupting and revolutionizing how 10 years old socialize. No thanks. I will just be at home consoling my daughter and trying to explain in bigger words why this is a bad idea and why I don't want her chatting with her friends, with a phone.