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Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Post by hutzlibu » Sat, Dec 02, 2017, 11:17 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #50

hutzlibu wrote: post #26

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Well, it is a highly political topic. And I found no article yet, with technical details, about what they technically actual accomplished. The Reuters article is especially lacking any information, except stating that they succeded technically, but faced problems at the US border before and the latter they repeated many times, not just one quote. So it looks a bit missleading and I would not call it journalism, if th…

Well, it is a highly political topic. Have you asked yourself why? Fundamentally this is about a group of children traveling to participate in an entrepreneurial competition. There is nothing inherently political about that. Who made it political? Who benefits from creating divisions that have made these children’s entry in a competition such a loaded question?

"Who made it political? Who benefits from creating divisions that have made these children’s entry in a competition such a loaded question?"

I think basically 2 things come into play:

One is good intentioned propaganda, to support underprivileged poor girls, by exaggerating what they can do - to try to persuade immigration-unfriendly people into more openness, like hey they are good for our economy, if we only let them in.

Secondly, but connected: opposition to Trump and co. and the whole power struggle in the US.

So in this context, I would see the message as, poor, lovely and technology outstanding girls beeing denied entry to the US for a competition, because of evil Trump and his politics. (which is why he did intervene personally to show that he is not so bad, and only wants to keep the bad people out blabla)

But I doubt, that any side really cared for the girls as humans.

... so high politics as usual, I think.

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Post by pavlov » Sun, Dec 03, 2017, 12:17 AM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #51

pavlov wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is a highly political topic. Have you asked yourself why? Fundamentally this is about a group of children traveling to participate in an entrepreneurial competition. There is nothing inherently political about that. Who made it political? Who benefits from creating divisions that have made these children’s entry in a competition such a loaded question?

"Who made it political? Who benefits from creating divisions that have made these children’s entry in a competition such a loaded question?" I think basically 2 things come into play: One is good intentioned propaganda, to support underprivileged poor girls, by exaggerating what they can do - to try to persuade immigration-unfriendly people into more openness, like hey they are good for our economy, if we only let th…

So you don't think the original decision by US authorities to deny entry to these children was political? Because your answer only blames the other side for politicizing the issue under labels of "propaganda" and "power struggle".

That speaks of a mindset where any decision made by law enforcement authorities is apolitical, and any questioning of said decisions is political. It's the same mindset where American police are always just doing their job the best they can, while Black Lives Matters is a dangerous anarchist movement.

Oddly this mindset only extends to the sectors of government that are authorized to use power. Anybody else working in the public sector is part of "the swamp".

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Post by hutzlibu » Sun, Dec 03, 2017, 1:02 AM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #52

hutzlibu wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Who made it political? Who benefits from creating divisions that have made these children’s entry in a competition such a loaded question?" I think basically 2 things come into play: One is good intentioned propaganda, to support underprivileged poor girls, by exaggerating what they can do - to try to persuade immigration-unfriendly people into more openness, like hey they are good for our economy, if we only let th…

So you don't think the original decision by US authorities to deny entry to these children was political? Because your answer only blames the other side for politicizing the issue under labels of "propaganda" and "power struggle". That speaks of a mindset where any decision made by law enforcement authorities is apolitical, and any questioning of said decisions is political. It's the same mindset where American polic…

"So you don't think the original decision by US authorities to deny entry to these children was political?"

Erm, where did I said that?

I think I made my point clear, that I don't like travel restrictions based on origin, but that I also don't like propaganda. But you seem to not really have read my post.