Crazy how HN flips out over the Intel ME then turns around and applauds this.
Lots of Apple fanboys on this forum.
iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
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Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is the return to the roots, just like Apple used to be before OS X happened. They only became more open out of necessity.
Apple’s roots were extremely open. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I#History : ”After building it for himself and showing it at the Club, he and Steve Jobs gave out schematics (technical designs) for the computer to interested club members and even helped some of them build and test out copies” Also: the Apple 2 shipped with full schematics and an assembly listing of its ROMs. The ‘phone book’ edition of Inside…
That was the very early days, hardly noticed in Europe.
What I remember are the LC and Quadra with NuBus, AppleTalk, QuickDraw, QuickDraw 3D, Sound Manager...
Hardly open in what regards using standards common to other platforms.
Having proper technical manuals was common to all companies during those days.
Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
#53Please stop saying that Apple is secretly recording your conversations for nefarious purposes with Hey Siri. It’s been around for 2 years and there has been nothing world-ending found about the feature. A reminder about how Hey Siri privacy works: https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/apple-addresses-privacy-qu... > In no case is the device recording what the user says or sending that information to Apple before the feat…
Well I'm not an idiot. Things like Siri do not exist to help me or improve my life like the marketing and Apple fans proclaim.
It exists to sell me shit and make people money.
Not nefarious, I accept capitalism. But at least let me turn it off.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A converged ARM-based Macbook sounds very much like a toy computer; a facebook+youtube media consumption station with an option for perhaps doing limited creative work such as composing an iMovie or touching up some photos at the most. What you describe as a "toy computer" is actually an indestructible and hella-great main business computer for a huge majority of people. Most people aren't designers or videographer…
Nothing wrong with a device like that - put a keyboard and mouse on the iPad and go at it. But please don't take away the option of having a real computer Macbook for the rest of us.
Sure, I agree with that too. I'm all those things the main public is not (programmer as main trade, but make films and music on the side).
I hope we'll always have that general flexibility.
That said, I prefer something closed-but-works-98%-of-the-time like macOS's graphics engine (Quartz or whatever is called) than the infinitely flexible X-Windows (or whatever graphics engine/compositor rules Linux distros now) that seldom works properly and people write things in reviews like "it worked with my graphic card just fine on the first try" as if this is still allowed to be a good surprise in 2017.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It won't be listening to you if they don't care to. The idea of having a device that listens to everything around in your home is unnerving, for me atleast. The problem with saying "they would never do something like this" or "I have nothing to hide so why do I care" is that your trusting people thousands of miles away from you who are heavily influenced by the government... If your not comfortable having a policeman…
If Apple wants to eavesdrop on you I don’t see how Siri changes the situation. You already have a networked device with a microphone, turning or not turning on an additional service hardly makes a difference.
And that's just it, isn't it. Siri is just a name. A cartoon.
The reality is that at a minimum, it's an organization of profit motivated people trying to listen to you. Maybe Apple is controlled by nice people today, but how many other companies will justify their own actions by pointing to Apple's practices.
And when those companies are bought and sold, or go out of business after a period of desperation, what happens in those moments?
Justify this with Apple, and ten more organizations follow in those footsteps.
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#56I wonder if it'll shut off if, like me, you turn off Siri.
I'm glad they're trying this first in Macs that're expected to always be plugged in, rather than laptops.
Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
#57Please stop saying that Apple is secretly recording your conversations for nefarious purposes with Hey Siri. It’s been around for 2 years and there has been nothing world-ending found about the feature. A reminder about how Hey Siri privacy works: https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/apple-addresses-privacy-qu... > In no case is the device recording what the user says or sending that information to Apple before the feat…
Well I'm not an idiot. Things like Siri do not exist to help me or improve my life like the marketing and Apple fans proclaim. It exists to sell me shit and make people money. Not nefarious, I accept capitalism. But at least let me turn it off.
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Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple’s roots were extremely open. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I#History : ”After building it for himself and showing it at the Club, he and Steve Jobs gave out schematics (technical designs) for the computer to interested club members and even helped some of them build and test out copies” Also: the Apple 2 shipped with full schematics and an assembly listing of its ROMs. The ‘phone book’ edition of Inside…
That was the very early days, hardly noticed in Europe. What I remember are the LC and Quadra with NuBus, AppleTalk, QuickDraw, QuickDraw 3D, Sound Manager... Hardly open in what regards using standards common to other platforms. Having proper technical manuals was common to all companies during those days.
I don’t see how that makes them different from other companies in that period.
NuBus was an open standard, the ISA bus of PCs wasn’t. Neither were the Atari or Amiga buses.
As to AppleTalk: they could have chosen something else for networking, but I don’t see what they should have used instead of AppleTalk for networking. Ethernet existed, but used thick coax cable (twisted pair is from 1984, standardized in 1986. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_twisted_pair); token ring is of about the same time, but also proprietary, and wasn’t ready in time for the launch of the Macintosh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk#History). TCP/IP existed, but it wasn’t clear that it would win the race, and it was overkill for the intended uses of AppleTalk.
The various operating system APIs aren’t less or more proprietary than what OS/2, Windows, Atari’s TOS, AmigaOS, and the various Unixes offered at the time (OpenGL wasn’t available yet; X Windows would have crawled on Mac hardware of the time even more than QuickDraw did, and wasn’t stabilized in 1984)
I also don’t see that they should have done things different after they made the choices they made for the 1984 Mac. They could have opened the hardware somewhere in the 1980s, but it isn’t certain that that would have been beneficial for them.
I think the only real difference is the openness of the PC hardware architecture, and that was accidental/unintended.
Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
#59Apple did it before and they will succeed again. Fat binaries.
Re: iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On ‘Hey Siri’
#60Please stop saying that Apple is secretly recording your conversations for nefarious purposes with Hey Siri. It’s been around for 2 years and there has been nothing world-ending found about the feature. A reminder about how Hey Siri privacy works: https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/apple-addresses-privacy-qu... > In no case is the device recording what the user says or sending that information to Apple before the feat…
Well I'm not an idiot. Things like Siri do not exist to help me or improve my life like the marketing and Apple fans proclaim. It exists to sell me shit and make people money. Not nefarious, I accept capitalism. But at least let me turn it off.
You can turn it off by going to Settings -> Siri & Search -> Listen for "Hey Siri".
It's not silently enabled by default. You choose on or off when setting up the device.