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Splitting a battery into two cells might mean it can charge twice as fast in parallel.

Unfortunately, no.

Hmm, this is what I thought as well. Just like if I have a splitter plugged into the wall and two USB cables attached I can charge those two devices as fast as if there was one item plugged in. So why wouldn't this be faster?

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I'm still on the fence about whether this is a great phone or not because I use every one of my phones a significant amount when not directly looking at it.

But this hardware is absolutely incredible. I wish there was a clear casing to the phone. Apple has always done a great job design the internals and clearly this is no exception.

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Truly impressive. Smaller, yet faster than the competition. Surprising how many of the chips are now internal Apple components: 1. CPU/GPU 2. Auxiliary Machine Learning/AI chip 3. NAND controller 4. IR Deapth sensor & signal processing chip 5. Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!) Axiom in the tech world is that "Apple is a software company that builds hardware". Above is ample ev…

> Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!)

Have you seen the tear down of the old MacBook power bricks? Check it out if you haven’t. There’s a lot of tech in there to improve efficiency (ie keep that tiny brick from melting)

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Splitting a battery into two cells might mean it can charge twice as fast in parallel.

Unfortunately, no.

> Unfortunately, no.

Explanation as to why this isn't the case:

TL;DR - putting the cells in parallel without changing their C-rating does nothing for charging them faster. You're limited by the C-rating of the cells, which is usually determined by the quality of components and the anode/cathode design.

Putting batteries in parallel maintains the voltage of one cell but multiplies the current by the number of cells in the pack.

E.g. if you have two Lithium Polymer cells in parallel, the nominal voltage will be 3.8V. At 5W, the current would be ~1.3A

Putting batteries in series adds the cell voltages while keeping current the same for the pack.

e.g. if you have two Lithium Polymer cells in series, the nominal voltage of the pack would be 7.6V and at 5W the current would be ~0.66A. Notice compared to the parallel example: voltage is doubled, current is halved.

What you need to compare here is the so-called "C-rating" (capacity rating) of the cell. All the C-rating means is that if you provide this much current, the cell is full in an hour. A C.10 rating would be the current over 10 hours. C.20 current over 20 hours, etc.

e.g. you have a 3.8V LiPo cell that's 2000mAh. A C-rating of 1 means you charge or discharge at 2A and it's full/dead in an hour.

So, putting batteries in parallel keeps their voltage the same but "doubles" the current.

However this entire time we've been talking about current, when we should be talking about power.

If your 2000mAh battery has a C-rating of 1, meaning you can charge it at maximum at the capacity of the battery, then in parallel you have 4000mAh (2x2000mAh) at 3.8V, meaning you can safely charge it at 4000mAx3.8V = ~15W

Put the same two cells in series. Now you have 2000mAh at 7.6V. How fast can you charge it? 2000mAx7.6V = ~15W.

Consumer electronics don't need a high C-rating because the cells don't need to charge/discharge at extremely high rates (as they would in a quadcopter, for example).

The main benefit of putting cells in series is that you raise the voltage, which lowers the current and thus means you can use smaller (and cheaper) wires to carry the same power.

Putting the cells in parallel would increase the current for the same power, but it does not change the C-rating and thus the amount of power you can safely put into the cells.

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Steve Jobs - "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

That was Alan Kay Edit: Adding source https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor...

To be fair, that wouldn't stop Steve from claiming it was his idea.

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Strategically, I think Apple has made a right move by internalising all the hardware designs. That said, as many have suggested, the new iPhone is no more than just another faster, smaller, and costlier.

Just smaller and faster with new technology, never before seen delivered at this size, capability or scale. What does Apple have to do to impress people? Do all this then give the phones away for free?

People used to bitch about why people thought the MacBook was so cool when it was “only” 5mm thinner than anything else on the market.

The low end doesn’t understand why people pay so much more for fit and finish.

Except automobiles. Everyone seems to accept and even approve of the high end for cars.

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Just smaller and faster with new technology, never before seen delivered at this size, capability or scale. What does Apple have to do to impress people? Do all this then give the phones away for free?

Louis CK - everything is amazing... but no one is happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUBtKNzoKZ

Easily one of his best bits and he did it on a talk show.

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Is there another reason than space-saving for the two batteries instead of one bigger one but L-shaped?

I don't think that L-shaped battery can be made. Imagine a list of paper which you need to fold into compact form. It would be really hard to fold it into "L". Batteries made of long sheets folded then into rectangle http://images.indianexpress.com/2017/01/galaxynote7_info_1.j...

The "jelly roll" is just one packing technique. You can pack flat sheets, so in theory can create an L shape.

Another guess is with an L shaped battery, thermal expansion makes it tricky because the L shaped compartment has a sharp inner corner which runs this risk of stressing the battery when it expands. A square compartment does not have that issue.

In any event, Apple knows how to produce weird shaped batteries. Just look at the Macbook. But it's in a nicely shape space.

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