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China’s AI Awakening

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Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by Dowwie »

there was a time when the U.S. had a leader who declared a bipartisan mission to do something great and worthy of the effort and the U.S. accomplished that mission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuW4oGKzVKc -- fast forward to ~7:40minutes for most relevant

AI is the new moon shot of our time but its rally cries are emanating by leaders of U.S corporations for the maximization of profit of their shareholders where as in China they are emanating by the leaders of the state for reasons far exceeding short-term economic gains

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by logiclion »

exelius wrote: post #43
logiclion wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am always genuinely curious about the statement "Americans tend to have difficulty believing that others can possibly have different values". I always think about the different types of cultures and living situations Americans tend to find themselves in and "around" compared to a country such as China who clearly has a clear set of cultural values and norms. It's almost as if having a value system outside of the no…

I forget the article I read this in, but basically here in the US there is a large percentage of the population with a "strict father" worldview (i.e. its up to each individual to save themselves so nobody gets a handout), while in China it's much more of a "nurturing parent" worldview (i.e. the most important thing is to take care of everyone rather than to ensure equality).

I think this is a good example, but I have a hard time understanding the "strict father" worldview. When political parties (left + democrats) tend to have agendas around welfare/public "handouts". Hopefully you can see what the nurturing parent value system can give you (as you said in another comment, father-head == dictator). I agree in some sense around the individualism aspect, I don't think however its complete with a "strict father" mentality.

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by killjoywashere »

dis-sys wrote: post #32

I was reading the USNews CS ranking yesterday, got really surprised that apparently some Chinese universities are now considered as the best in CS. top 20 list: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/se... https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/co...

Keep in mind they also have some pretty significant plagarism and pay-to-publish problems.

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by guelo »

ausjke wrote: post #47
guelo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your definition of leftism is a ridiculous. In the article it says that the Chinese government is pouring hundreds of billions of yuan into AI technology. Now thats leftism, and we would be smart to copy it.

USA is moving to the left, China is moving to the right, they swapped, guess who is to win in the long run? sorry Trump, it is too late to fix, the tipping point has passed.

The Chinese government directing investments in the economy is moving to the right? I don't think you know what left and right mean.

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by smhost »

exelius wrote: post #43
logiclion wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am always genuinely curious about the statement "Americans tend to have difficulty believing that others can possibly have different values". I always think about the different types of cultures and living situations Americans tend to find themselves in and "around" compared to a country such as China who clearly has a clear set of cultural values and norms. It's almost as if having a value system outside of the no…

I forget the article I read this in, but basically here in the US there is a large percentage of the population with a "strict father" worldview (i.e. its up to each individual to save themselves so nobody gets a handout), while in China it's much more of a "nurturing parent" worldview (i.e. the most important thing is to take care of everyone rather than to ensure equality).

Pretty sure you're talking about George Lakoff[0] and the "strict father : U.S. :: nurturant parent : China" is something you made up in your head.

0: https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lako...

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by ww520 »

monkmartinez wrote: post #18
shadowmint wrote: post #14

Extremely relevant quote from the talented Mr Ng: > “When the Chinese government announces a plan like this, it has significant implications for the country and the economy,” says Andrew Ng, a prominent AI expert who previously oversaw AI technology and strategy at China’s biggest online search company, Baidu. “It’s a very strong signal to everyone that things will happen.” ie. There is going to be a tonne of money p…

> ...but anyone sitting here scoffing that China can’t make itself a world leader in a field by simply pouring money and support onto the problem needs a serious history lesson. They have before, and there is every indiction they will again, here with this. What are they currently leading?

One example where they poured money and got ahead is the rail system and the high speed rail system.

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by xenihn »

timthelion wrote: post #49
it_learnses wrote: post #16

Scientists like Ng ought to consider the repercussions of their actions when they decide to aid Chinese companies, and by extension, the Chinese govt with cutting edge research. They are basically collaborating with the enemy that stands against pretty much everything that the west granted them (scientists like Ng who were born here and given the opportunities).

I believe that your pro-western nationalism is evil, because this dualism fails to see the nuance, that american corporatism is just as bad as Chinese state socialism. I up-voted you, however, because you stated your opinion in the open, rather than simply implying it. I'd far rather people like you be open in their belief that this is some sort of situation where one country wins and the other loses. I, however, bel…

This is honestly one of the better posts I've seen on HN. I never really thought about this, and I agree 100%

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by tooltalk »

dis-sys wrote: post #32

I was reading the USNews CS ranking yesterday, got really surprised that apparently some Chinese universities are now considered as the best in CS. top 20 list: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/se... https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/co...

Well, it's interesting to see that the USNews ranks Harvard ahead of UCBerkeley. Back when I used to work at a quant shop in NYC, Harvard wasn't even considered for hiring -- they only recruited from MIT, CMU, UIUC, Berkeley, Stanford and UToronto.

Also, not surprisingly, most quants were Chinese.

Re: China’s AI Awakening

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Post by ausjke »

guelo wrote: post #54
ausjke wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA is moving to the left, China is moving to the right, they swapped, guess who is to win in the long run? sorry Trump, it is too late to fix, the tipping point has passed.

The Chinese government directing investments in the economy is moving to the right? I don't think you know what left and right mean.

USA directs money all the time too, it is not about how to direct money, it is about 'equal-opportunity' vs 'equal-outcome'. China has plenty of brain power to leverage that investment, as it has been encouraging teens to excel in the education system. While in US, it is eager to remove rankings from school instead these days because it will make some 18-year-old-little-KID depressed, and in CA it just allows everyone gets a high-school diploma for free, see the difference?
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